SO WE'LL. WE'LL FLOAT. I NOW CALL TO ORDER THE LAWRENCEVILLE CITY COUNCIL WORK SESSION 
          [Call to Order]
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MEETING ON TUESDAY, OCTOBER THE 13TH AT 5:30 P.M. SO IF YOU CAN, PLEASE REMEMBER TO TURN OFF OR SILENCE YOUR CELL PHONES SO AS NOT TO INTERRUPT THE VARIOUS SPEAKERS. WE VERY MUCH WOULD APPRECIATE THAT. NEXT, WE'LL MOVE TO THE PRAYER. SO IF YOU COULD PLEASE PRAY WITH ME AS YOU WILL. DEAR LORD, PLEASE GIVE STRENGTH TO ALL OUR CITY ELECTED OFFICIALS, ALL OUR APPOINTED OFFICIALS, AND ALL OUR OUR CITY STAFF TO FOLLOW PHILIPPIANS TWO THREE THROUGH FOUR. DO NOTHING OUT OF SELFISH AMBITION OR VAIN CONCEIT, BUT IN HUMILITY CONSIDER OTHERS BETTER THAN YOURSELVES. EACH OF YOU SHOULD LOOK NOT ONLY TO YOUR OWN INTEREST, BUT ALSO TO THE INTERESTS OF OTHERS. IT'S IN YOUR NAME, I PRAY. AMEN. AMEN. IF YOU COULD PLEASE STAND AND JOIN ME IN THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE. I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS. ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL. NEXT, WE'LL MOVE ON TO AGENDA ADDITIONS AND 
          [Agenda Additions / Deletions]
DELETIONS. SO DOES THE STAFF OR COUNCIL HAVE ANY RECOMMENDED ADDITIONS OR DELETIONS TO THE WORK SESSION AGENDA? YES, MAYOR. WE STAFF IS RECOMMENDING THREE CHANGES TO THE AGENDA. ITEM NUMBER 1ZM2026-0007. PARKLAND HOMES LOCATED AT 2555 UNIVERSITY PARKWAY AND 104 HURRICANE SHOALS ROAD. THAT REQUEST TO BE TABLED TO OUR NOVEMBER 17TH MEETING, WHICH IS WORK SESSION AND REGULAR SESSION, IS THE SAME DAY. ITEM NUMBER 2SP2026-00009. PURE FUN PROPERTIES LOCATED 401 INDUSTRIAL PARK DRIVE. THE APPLICANT HAS ASKED FOR THIS TO BE WITHDRAWN. SO THIS WILL BE ON THE AGENDA TO BE WITHDRAWN ON NOVEMBER 17TH. AND THEN FINALLY ITEM NUMBER 3SUP. CAN WE CAN WE PUT THAT ON THE OCTOBER. OH YES. SORRY. ON OUR OCTOBER 26TH MEETING. YES. SORRY. SO IT'LL BE WITHDRAWN. IT'LL BE ON OCTOBER 26TH MEETING. YES. ITEM NUMBER 3SUP2026-00010. SUP20260001. 1SUP2026-0012. LOCATED 272 HURRICANE SHOALS AND L. S 2272 HURRICANE SHOALS ROAD THAT. THE APPLICANT HAS REQUESTED THIS TO BE TABLED TO OUR NOVEMBER 17TH MEETING AS WELL, AND THERE WILL ALSO BE A TEXT AMENDMENT THAT GO ALONG WITH THAT WITH OUR ZONING. OKAY. ANY OTHER ADDITIONS OR DELETIONS FROM THE COUNCIL? OKAY. HEARING NONE, DO I HAVE A MOTION TO ACCEPT THE AGENDA AS AMENDED? I MOVE THAT WE ACCEPT THE AGENDA AS AMENDED, A SECOND, SECOND. OKAY, SO I HAVE A FIRST BY COUNCIL MEMBER JONES, A SECOND BY COUNCIL MEMBER WARD. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. I. I. THE AGENDA HAS BEEN APPROVED. THE AMENDED AGENDA HAS BEEN APPROVED BY 5 TO 0. NEXT, WE'LL MOVE ON TO 
          [Additional Item]
THE CONSENT AGENDA. SO IT'S THE PRACTICE OF THE COUNCIL FOR THE MAYOR TO ASK COUNCIL MEMBERS IF THERE ARE ANY OF THE AGENDA ITEMS THAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO PLACE ON THE CONSENT AGENDA FOR THE REGULAR MEETING ON OCTOBER THE 26TH, AND THEN BE VOTED ON WITH ONE VOTE. SO I'LL START WITH COUNCIL MEMBER RANDY TRAVIS. MR. MAYOR. I WOULD LIKE TO PLACE ON THE CONSENT AGENDA ITEM NUMBER SEVEN. UNDER EIGHT. I WANT TO HEAR ITEM NUMBER NINE. PROBABLY THAT'S WHERE WE'RE GOING TO GO WITH CONSENT AGENDA AS WELL. BUT I WANT TO HEAR IT FIRST. OKAY. AND AND NUMBER TEN. 
          ALL RIGHT. COUNCIL MEMBER JONES, I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR ITEMS NUMBER EIGHT AND TEN. AND MAYBE WE CAN CONSIDER AFTER HENRY. NONE. ALL RIGHT. COUNCILMEMBER WARD. NONE. ALL RIGHT. SO WE'LL MOVE FORWARD. AND WHATEVER WE PUT ON CONSENT, I'LL LABEL THEM AS WE MOVE THROUGH THE MEETING. 
          SO NEXT WE'LL MOVE ON TO MAYOR. YES. SO ITEM NUMBER SEVEN IS THE ONLY ONE CURRENTLY CURRENTLY AND TEN. TEN. NO. TEN. OKAY. SO ITEM SEVEN IS THE ONLY ONE RIGHT NOW. PERFECT. OKAY. 
          [Discussion of General City Business]
OKAY. SO NEXT WE'LL LOOK AT ITEM FOUR UNDER DISCUSSION OF GENERAL CITY BUSINESS. 
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SUP2026-00013 SMOKER SERVICES LLC. 425 WEST PIKE STREET. THIS ITEM IS BEING PRESENTED BY OUR DIRECTOR OF PLANNING AND DEVELOPMENT, TODD HARGRAVE. SORRY. OH THE BOTTOM. TWO MANAGER, MR. WARBURTON. IS THE CAMERA IN YET? OKAY. GREAT. YES, SIR. THANK YOU. THIS IS A SPECIAL USE PERMIT FOR A CAR WASH. AND IT'S AN EXISTING FACILITY THAT WAS BEEN CLOSED FOR SEVERAL YEARS. IT'S LOCATED AT 425 WEST PIKE STREET. GIVE YOU A QUICK OVERVIEW OF THE PROPERTY. AS I MENTIONED, IT'S A CAR WASH OPERATION. IT'S A NON-CONFORMING USE. EXISTING PROPOSED CAR, CAR, CAR WASH. PROBABLY SEVERAL DECADES AGO, I CAN'T REMEMBER THE OFFICIAL DATE. THE FACILITY HAS BEEN VACANT SINCE THE AUTO AUTO BELL ABANDONED THE SITE IN 2021. 
          AGAIN, AS I MENTIONED, IT'S LOCATED AT 425 WEST PIKE STREET. THE APPLICANT OWNER IS SMOKE SERVICES, LLC. IT'S LESS THAN A, WELL, ALMOST A 10TH OF AN ACRE, EXCUSE ME, 0.8 TENTHS OF AN ACRE. AND THE CURRENT ZONING IS BG. STAFF IS RECOMMENDING APPROVAL OF THIS REQUEST. I'LL GIVE YOU A LITTLE BACKGROUND ON SITE AND ZONING HISTORY. AS YOU CAN SEE IN THE MAP HERE, THE SITE I CAN HELP YOU OUT. LET ME CLICK SOMETHING REAL QUICK. PROPERTY IS LOCATED HERE, JUST ABOVE THE CURSOR HIGHLIGHTED. IT'S BEEN ZONED BG SINCE 1960. THERE ARE NO VARIANCES OR APPEALS OR SUPS OR ZONING CONDITIONS ON RECORD ON THE PROPERTY. THE EXISTING BUILDING IS APPROXIMATELY 47 4707FT■S. THERE ARE EXISTING 26 PARKING SPACES ON THE SITE, AND THERE WILL ALSO BE. AS PART OF THIS REQUEST, THERE WILL BE AN ACCESSORY USE OF VACUUM STATIONS OUTSIDE LOCATED ON THIS FACILITY. FROM A DEVELOPMENT STANDPOINT, THIS IS IN THIS PARTICULAR DISTRICT. SINCE THEY'VE LOST THEIR NON-CONFORMING STATUS, THEY CAN APPLY FOR A SPECIAL USE PERMIT IN THIS PARTICULAR ZONING CATEGORY TO RENEW IT. THE THERE ARE SOME CONCERNS ABOUT THE METAL BUILDING FACADES, BUT IT'S. THERE WAS ALREADY APPROVED IN THE PAST THAT THEY DO HAVE SOME RENDERINGS WHERE THEY PLAN TO CLEAN THIS UP, AND THE PREFABRICATED AWNING ONLY AS LOUD AS THE AUTOMOTIVE AUTOMOTIVE AUTOMATIC FACILITIES. 
          AND THERE ARE NO COMPANION VARIANCES REQUIRED WITH THIS REQUEST IN THIS PICTURE HERE, THE LANGUAGE IS STILL THE SAME, BUT THIS IS AN IMAGE OF THE BUILDING. HOW THEY PROPOSE TO CLEAN IT UP. THESE ARE IN YOUR PACKET. THEY SHOULD BE ON THE LAST COUPLE OF PAGES WITH THE CONDITIONS OF. APPROVED BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION. THE SURROUNDING AREA WOULD SUPPORT IT AS WELL AS COMMERCIAL RETAIL LIGHT INDUSTRIAL USES. THE REASON IT SUPPORTS IT IS WHAT IS THERE. THERE'S A NUMBER OF AUTO, AUTO SERVICE GARAGES, RENTALS, USED CAR SALES AND FUEL SALES PRESENT IN THE IMMEDIATE AREA, AND THE ULTRA CAR WASH LOCATED NEARBY ON WEST PIKE STREET CORRIDOR. GENERALLY, THE AREA GENERALLY WOULD SUPPORT THIS TYPE OF AUTO RELATED USES. AND IT IS. THE PROPERTY IS LOCATED IN THE DOWNTOWN CHARACTER AREA, WHICH EMPHASIZES THE CULTURAL, ECONOMIC AND MIXED USE ACTIVITIES PROPOSED AUTO ORIENTED USES. IT'S NOT FULLY ALIGNED WITH THE LONG TERM VISION OF THE CHARACTER AREA. 
          HOWEVER, THE EXISTING FACILITY IS A REUSE WHICH REDUCES REDEVELOPMENT IMPACTS, PARTICULARLY ON STORMWATER, ETC. STAFF'S ANALYSIS IS THE REUSE OF THE EXISTING PURPOSE BUILT FACILITY. IT'S COMPATIBLE WITH THE SURROUNDING COMMERCIAL CHARACTER LIMITED MODIFICATIONS AS PROPOSED, AND DOES NOT CREATE A SUBSTANTIALLY NEW DEVELOPMENT PATTERN, AND STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THIS REQUEST SUBJECT TO. THEY'LL HAVE TO BRING THE SITE INTO COMPLIANCE WITH BUILDING CODES AND LIFE SAFETY CODES, AS WELL AS WE PROBABLY WANT TO HAVE SOME CONDITIONS AND DISCUSSION RELATED TO THE OUTDOOR VACUUMS THAT CAME UP DURING THE PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING. THANK YOU. YOUR PRESENTATION, SIR. THAT'S IT. ALL RIGHT. 
          THANK YOU. SO BEFORE I TURN IT OVER TO THE COUNCIL FOR QUESTIONS, SO FOR OVER TEN YEARS, THE COUNCIL HAS BEEN PUSHING FOR TO REDUCE THE AUTOMOTIVE USES ON PIKE STREET, WHICH IS, AS YOU KNOW, AND AWARE OF. SO WHY WOULD STAFF. I LISTEN TO ALL YOUR REASONS, BUT KNOWING THAT AND I KNOW YOU CAN'T SET PRECEDENT. YOU PREFER FOR US TO SET PRECEDENT, WHICH I THINK WE HAVE. I'M JUST CURIOUS AS TO WHY YOU'VE GONE THIS DIRECTION WITH THIS. WHEN IT'S THE USE ITSELF. IT WAS BUILT AS AN AUTO AUTO AUTOMOBILE CAR WASH FACILITY. 
          THE COUNCIL HAS APPROVED OTHER CAR WASH FACILITIES THROUGHOUT THE CITY. AND I KNEW YOU WERE GOING TO SAY THAT. YES, SIR. I HAD A FEELING YOU DID. THEREFORE, THAT'S WHY IT'S FROM A DEVELOPMENT STANDPOINT, IT MAKES SENSE. THE PROPERTY HAS BEEN SITTING THERE VACANT, AND SOMEONE HAS COME IN WANTING TO OPEN IT BACK UP AS A CAR WASH. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. WELL, THANK 
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YOU FOR YOUR COMMENTS. NEXT, I'LL OPEN IT UP TO COUNCIL FOR QUESTIONS. WHO WOULD LIKE TO BE RECOGNIZED BY THE MAYOR TO ASK QUESTIONS OF MR. HARGRAVE, IF YOU. YEAH. HOW MANY OTHER CAR WASHES DO WE HAVE WITHIN, SAY, TWO MILES OF THAT LOCATION? OFF THE TOP OF YOUR HEAD, JUST OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD? WELL, THERE'S ONE WITHIN PROBABLY A QUARTER OF A MILE, RIGHT DOWN THE OLD NORCROSS AND WEST PIKE STREET. THERE IS THIS THIS TYPE OF FACILITY WHERE YOU DRIVE THROUGH, RIGHT. THIS THERE IS A FACILITY AT SUGARLOAF AND SCENIC HIGHWAY. THERE'S ALSO A FACILITY AT GWINNETT DRIVE AND GRAYSON HIGHWAY. AND I DON'T BELIEVE THERE'S ANY OTHER NEW ONES THAT I'M AWARE OF, BUT THOSE WERE THE ONES THAT WERE APPROVED IN THE LAST EIGHT YEARS. AND THE NEW ONES THAT WE APPROVED. I WAS ON COUNCIL THEN, BUT ARE THOSE THE PARADIGM DESIGNS THAT WE LOVE? I MEAN, THEY'RE, THEY'RE, THEY'RE EXACTLY THE TYPE OF CAR WASH WE WANT IN THE CITY. YES, SIR. I WOULD SAY THAT'S A FAIR. YES, I WOULD AGREE WITH THAT. THE DESIGNS THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE, DO THEY MATCH THAT PARADIGM. LOOK, TO SOME EXTENT IF IT'S CLEANED UP. YES. IT'S NOT AS GRAND RIGHT NOW. AND ITS APPEARANCE. THERE ARE SOME. I HAD QUESTIONS RELATING TO THE LENGTH OF THE THE TUNNEL. I CAN'T FIND ANYTHING TO INDICATE THAT ONE CAR WASH IS BETTER THAN THE OTHER BECAUSE OF THE LENGTH. BUT THAT IS A QUESTION THAT YOU ALL HAVE TO ASK ME, AND I CAN SEE WHAT ELSE I CAN FIND OUT. I CAN TELL YOU, MY FORMER BUSINESS IN SELLING BUSINESSES, SHORT TUNNELS DON'T GO FOR AS MUCH AS LONG TUNNELS. 
          THERE YOU GO. THERE'S ONE EXAMPLE. HAVE WE HAD ANY POLICE PROBLEMS, ANY PUBLIC SAFETY PROBLEMS AT THIS ABANDONED BUILDING SINCE 2021? NOT THAT I'M AWARE OF, BUT I CAN FIND OUT AN ANSWER BECAUSE THAT WOULD BE A REASON, MAYBE TO GET PEOPLE IN THERE AGAIN, IF IT'S A YES, SIR. MAKES SENSE. A HAVEN FOR THE UNHOUSED OR THE, YOU KNOW, DRUG ACTIVITY, PERHAPS THINGS LIKE THAT IN THERE. I LOOKED AT THE PICTURE. YOU DON'T HAVE A PICTURE IN YOUR PRESENTATION OF WHAT THE PROPERTY ACTUALLY LOOKS LIKE, DO YOU? RIGHT NOW? I FOUND ONE ON GOOGLE. I DON'T SEE ANY NEXT DOOR. THE OLD WHICH DIRECTION ARE YOU TALKING IMMEDIATELY ADJACENT TO THE ACTUAL BUILDING THAT'S THERE NOW THE. NO SIR, I DO NOT. IT HAS GRAFFITI ON THE DOOR. GRAFFITI. I USUALLY WOULD IMAGINE THAT THERE MIGHT BE SOME TYPE OF REPORT ASSOCIATED WITH GRAFFITI. USUALLY IT'S TURNED INTO THE POLICE. I CAN FIND OUT THAT AS WELL. THIS IS ZONED BG. YES, SIR. SO A LOT OF OTHER THINGS COULD GO THERE BESIDES A CAR WASH. YES SIR. OR A WIDE VARIETY OF THINGS. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. ANY QUESTIONS? YES. THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR YOUR PRESENTATION. HE WAS TALKING ABOUT A DIAGRAM. DO YOU HAVE A DIAGRAM SHOWING, LIKE THE VACUUM STATIONS AND THE THE PARKING PACKET. BUT. YES, MA'AM. OKAY. STUFF HERE. IT'S ON THE LAST TWO PAGES. DID YOU RECEIVE A NEW SITE PLAN AS WE STARTED THE MEETING? PUT THAT IN THE PACKET. MOVING FORWARD. JUST WANT TO SHARE THAT WITH EVERYBODY. BUT THIS IS THE SITE ITSELF. THE VACUUM STATIONS WILL BE LOCATED IF YOU CAN SEE IT THERE. IT'S COMING. OKAY, THIS IS WEST PIKE AND I'LL JUST LEAVE THE PENCIL HERE. VACUUM STATIONS HERE TOWARDS THE SOUTHERN END. OR EXCUSE ME, THE EASTERN SIDE OF THE PROPERTY LINE. I BELIEVE THIS IS A VACANT PROPERTY. TO THE NORTHERN END IS PUBLIC WORKS. THIS IS, OF COURSE, DON'S WAY, WHICH IS THE DRIVE IN. AND THEY WOULD HAVE SOME ADJACENT TO WEST PIKE STREET AS PROPOSED. 
          THESE WOULD NOT BE CONSIDERED AS OUTDOOR STORAGE, BUT THEY WOULD BE CONSIDERED AS AN ACCESSORY TO THE PRINCIPAL. THE OTHER FACILITIES WE HAVE THAT HAVE BEEN APPROVED SIMILAR LAYOUT AS WELL. SO THE PREVIOUS PROPERTY WAS THE SAME, HAD THE SAME VACUUM STATIONS? NO, MA'AM. 
          NO. NO MA'AM. OKAY. THIS IS AN ADDITION. THIS IS NEW. THIS IS AN ADDITION TO. OKAY. AND THE 26 PARKING SPACES. YES, MA'AM. WHERE ARE THEY? ON THE DIAGRAM? WELL, THE PARKING STATION IS THE AS WE DISCUSSED DURING THE PLANNING COMMISSION, IT'S NOT FOR PEOPLE TO COME IN AND WALK IN THE STORE. IT'S MORE LIKE YOUR THE THE, THE CAR WASHES THAT HAVE BEEN APPROVED WHERE YOU DRIVE YOUR CAR THROUGH THE TUNNEL, YOU GO TO THE PARKING, THE VACUUM STATION, CLEAN OUT YOUR CAR. WHEN IT COMES TO PARKING REQUIREMENTS, THIS JUST WOULDN'T. YOU WOULD HAVE MAYBE FIVE SPACES THAT MIGHT BE NECESSARY FOR THE SIZE BUILDING. AND THEY WOULD BE DEDICATED PROBABLY FOR THE STAFF THAT MAY BE WORKING AT THE FACILITY. OKAY. SIMILAR TO THE TO THE I'M POINTING SOMEWHERE TO THE STARBUCKS ACROSS THE STREET. OKAY, SO YOU'RE SAYING THAT THERE ARE ENOUGH SPACES FOR 26 CARS TO COME THROUGH THE TUNNEL, BASICALLY. YES, MA'AM. YES, 
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MA'AM. ON A GIVEN DAY, IF THEY HAD A BACKUP, THEY WOULD HAVE TO WRAP AROUND THE BUILDING ONE AT A TIME. OKAY. I'M JUST TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW THAT'S GOING TO WORK. I KNOW IT'S NOT A. THE BUILDING IS NOT A LARGE BUILDING. THERE'S NOT A LOT OF PARKING UNLESS YOU'RE. YES, MA'AM. IN PUBLIC WORKS? YES, MA'AM. THAT'S TRUE. YES, MA'AM. THEY WOULD HAVE TO POLICE THEMSELVES IF THEY. IF WE RECEIVE COMPLAINTS, WE WOULD CALL THE COMPLAINT. AND JUST ANOTHER QUESTION ABOUT LAND USE. IS THIS THE BEST AND HIGHEST USE FOR THIS PARTICULAR PROPERTY? I MEAN, I KNOW THIS IS WHAT IT WAS BEFORE. AND I ALSO HEARD THE MAYOR TALK ABOUT HOW THERE HAS BEEN A SHIFT IN HOW WE DO CAR. ANYTHING HAS TO DO WITH CARS. SO AS OF TODAY, THIS IS THE HIGHEST AND BEST USE BECAUSE NOTHING'S CHANGED. UNTIL THAT LAND USE HAS CHANGED, THAT'S WHEN THE DIFFERENCE. THIS COULD BE A POINT WHERE THE COUNCIL MAKES A DECISION THAT WHICHEVER ROUTE THEY WANT TO GO, THAT WILL PRODUCE A CHANGE IN LAND USE. IF YOU DENY IT, AND ALSO THE 2045 PLAN AND WHAT YOU SAID ABOUT THE 2045 PLAN IN THE PACKET, IT LEFT A LOT OF ROOM FOR IT WASN'T REALLY CRYSTAL CLEAR. IT WAS MORE AMBIGUITY. AMBIGUITY? YES, MA'AM. THAT'S AN ACCURATE STATEMENT. I WOULD SAY SO, YES. THE THE DOWNTOWN OVERLAY DISTRICT IS PEDESTRIAN FRIENDLY TYPE CORRIDOR, WHICH IS PROBABLY WHAT YOU'D FIND DOWNTOWN, NORTH CLAYTON, SOUTH PERRY STREETS. WHEN YOU GET ON WEST PIKE STREET, THAT'S A FOUR LANE HIGHWAY WITH A TURN TURN LANE IN THE MIDDLE OF IT. THAT'S NOT PEDESTRIAN FRIENDLY, EVEN IF YOU PUT A SIDEWALK ON IT. TO MAKE THIS PEDESTRIAN FRIENDLY, YOU WOULD HAVE TO HAVE SOMEBODY COME IN WITH A DEVELOPMENT THAT WOULD BE PEDESTRIAN FRIENDLY, WHICH WOULD PROBABLY BE HOUSING. I HAVEN'T HAD ANYBODY COME IN WITH INTEREST IN HOUSING AT THIS LOCATION, BUT NEARBY. YES, TO THE TO THE EAST. OKAY. THANK YOU. YOU'RE WELCOME. THANK YOU FOR YOUR PRESENTATION. I JUST HAVE ONE QUESTION. SOME OF MY CONCERNS WERE SIMILAR TO COUNCIL MEMBER JONES IS A TRAFFIC IN AND OUT, BUT AS WE'VE HAD SOME CAR WASHES IN IN THE PAST, WE TALKED ABOUT HAVING TO RECYCLE THE WATER AND HAVING THE SYSTEM TO RECYCLE THE WATER. NOW, WHEN THEY BRING THIS UP TO CODE OR UP TO TO CURRENT STANDARDS, ARE THEY GOING TO HAVE TO HAVE THAT SAME SYSTEM FOR THIS? YES, SIR. AS WELL. OUR DEPARTMENT HAS BEEN ENFORCING THAT POLICY SINCE 2018. SO ANY NEW CAR WASH OR ANY TYPE OF FACILITY, ESPECIALLY WITH LIKE IN ONE EXAMPLE I CAN TELL YOU ABOUT IS THE CAR RENTAL FACILITY ACROSS SCENIC HIGHWAY THAT OPENED, I CAN'T REMEMBER THE NAME OF THE COMPANY, BUT THEY BUILT A CAR WASH IN THE BACK AND WE REQUIRED THAT THEY INSTALL THIS. THE GWINNETT COUNTY ADOPTED, WHICH HAS OUR WATER POLICY. 
          THEY HAVE THIS POLICY, AND IT'S BEEN ON RECORD FOR PROBABLY OVER A DECADE AT GWINNETT COUNTY. AND WHEN WE SOLD THE WATER TO THEM, THEY TOOK CONTROL OF IT. SO THEY ALSO BACKED US UP AND MADE THEM INSTALL THAT OIL GREASE SEPARATORS, WHAT THEY TYPICALLY CALL THEM. OKAY. AND SO THEY'LL HAVE TO DO THE SAME. YES, SIR. OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? THIS WAY. NO QUESTIONS. OKAY. I DO WANT TO POINT OUT WITH MY BACKGROUND IN ACTUALLY BROKERING FOR PEOPLE MULTIPLE CAR WASHES OVER THE YEARS. THIS IS A SHORT TUNNEL MARKETS PROVEN THE LOCATION'S POOR. THAT'S WHY IT WENT OUT OF BUSINESS. AND EVEN THOUGH I USED IT, IT DIDN'T HAVE MANY PEOPLE OBVIOUSLY, THAT USED IT. SO THEY DID DO DETAIL IN THE FRONT. YES, SIR. SO BUT THIS ONE, ARE THEY PLANNING TO DO ANY DETAIL WORK? JUST THE VACUUM STATIONS. BUT THAT WOULD BE FROWNED UPON. YES SIR. AND WHEN THEY BOUGHT THIS BUSINESS OUT OF AUCTION, THEY KNEW OF THE CITY'S POSITION OR HISTORY OF ZONING AND. YES, SIR. THEY TALKED ABOUT A LOT OF OTHER THINGS THAT I'VE TALKED TO A LOT OF PEOPLE ABOUT THIS SITE, THE ONES THAT CAME IN, IF I BROUGHT THEM TO YOU, THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT PUTTING OIL CHANGE PLACES THERE. SO I KNOW HOW YOU FEEL ABOUT THAT. I'LL HAVE TO DO IS LOOK ACROSS THE STREET FROM THIS SIDE. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR MR. HARGRAVE? THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR PRESENTATION. SO WHAT'S THE PLEASURE OF THE COUNCIL? REGULAR AGENDA. 
          REGULAR AGENDA. OCTOBER 26TH. NEXT, WE'LL MOVE ON TO PRESENTATION PURCHASING 101. 
          THIS ITEM IS BEING PRESENTED BY OUR PURCHASING DIRECTOR, KENNETH MORRIS, AND WE LOOK FORWARD TO HEARING YOUR PRESENTATION. I THINK THIS WILL BE YOUR SECOND OR THIRD PRESENTATION. SO I THINK IT'S THIRD. THIRD. OKAY. MAYOR AND COUNCIL, THANK YOU ALL FOR THE 
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OPPORTUNITY TO PRESENT TONIGHT. TONIGHT WE'LL BE DOING A PURCHASING 101. IT'S REALLY AN UPDATE OR BRIEFING SINCE THE LAST PRESENTATION THAT KEITH LEE, OUR FINANCE DIRECTOR, PRESENTED BACK IN MAY. WHAT THE PRESENTATION WILL MOSTLY CONSIST OF IS THE UPDATES THAT WE'VE BEEN DOING SO FAR AS PART OF THE PURCHASING MODERNIZATION. AND HOW THE DIFFERENT STEPS THAT WE'VE TAKEN SO FAR HAVE REFOCUSED. REFOCUSED OUR PROCESSES ON CLARITY, CONSISTENCY, AND OTHER AREAS THAT WERE POINTED OUT TO US AS PART OF THE MONITORING THAT TOOK PLACE LAST YEAR. FIRST, I'LL BRIEFLY TOUCH ON THE HISTORY OF THAT SINCE EARLIER THIS YEAR. GO THROUGH BRIEFLY OVER THE REVISED PURCHASING TIERS, THE DIFFERENT PROCUREMENT METHODS THAT ARE AVAILABLE THROUGH THE PURCHASING ORDINANCE. THE STEPS WILL BE TAKING TO ENSURE VENDOR COMPLIANCE AND THE NEXT STEPS AS PART OF THE IMPLEMENTATION ROADMAP. THE MAIN THING THAT I'LL ASK YOU ALL TO FOCUS ON AS PART OF THIS IS JUST THE INCREASED STEPS OF ACCOUNTABILITY FOR CITY DEPARTMENTS. AND WHEN IT COMES TO PURCHASING. AND ANY ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MAY HAVE THROUGHOUT THROUGHOUT THAT, OR AS I START TALKING ABOUT NEXT STEPS, JUST KEEPING THAT IN MIND SO THAT WE ARE MAKING SURE TO. HOLISTICALLY THROUGHOUT CITY DEPARTMENTS TAKE THE SAME APPROACH, BECAUSE THAT IS THE OVERALL POINT, IS THAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR CONSISTENCY IN HOW WE HANDLE DEPARTMENT PURCHASES. 
          SO AGAIN, JUST RECAPPING, COUNCIL APPROVED THE UPDATED PURCHASING ORDINANCE ON MAY 27TH. EARLIER THIS YEAR. IT WENT INTO EFFECT MATCHING THE START OF THE FISCAL YEAR JULY 1ST. THE ORDINANCE ESTABLISHED THE CITY'S NEW PROCUREMENT FRAMEWORK. OUR WORK NOW IS FOCUSED ON TAKING THE FRAMEWORK AND PUTTING IT INTO DAY TO DAY PRACTICE. SO THAT'S ACROSS DEPARTMENTS, AND THEN ALSO MAKING SURE THAT DEPARTMENTS HAVE A DESIGNATED CONTRACT MANAGER. THAT WILL BE THE COUNTERPOINT FOR EACH VENDOR THAT WE DO BUSINESS WITH ON A REGULAR BASIS. THE ORDINANCE IS SET UP IN A FOUR TIER STRUCTURE. THE ORDINANCE ITSELF IS AT THE TOP OF THAT, FOLLOWED BY OTHER DIFFERENT GOVERNANCE MANUALS. ONE IS THE PURCHASING GOVERNANCE MANUAL. THERE'S ONE DEDICATED TO VENDOR MANAGEMENT, AND THEN THERE ARE THREE OTHERS THAT WILL BE THE. THEY'LL BE THE FOUNDATION OF WHAT THE NEXT TWO TIERS UNDERNEATH THAT. SO YOU HAVE YOUR PURCHASING ORDINANCES, TIER ONE, THE DIFFERENT GOVERNANCE MANUALS, TIER TWO POLICIES AND PROCEDURES AT TIER THREE AND THE DIFFERENT TOOLS AND DAY TO DAY. ITEMS THAT WE USE TO CARRY OUT PURCHASES DOWN AT TIER FOUR. WHAT I HAVE ON THIS SLIDE IS JUST A RECAP OF THE. DIFFERENT STRUCTURE OF OUR. THE THRESHOLDS FOR PURCHASES AT THE 
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MICRO LEVEL THAT RANGES FROM ZERO UP TO $2,500 AT THE MICRO PURCHASE THRESHOLD. AT THIS LEVEL, THERE'S A LOT OF DISCRETION THAT'S LEFT UP TO THE DEPARTMENT. WE DO NOT REQUIRE THREE QUOTES AT THIS POINT. THEY ARE ABLE TO USE THEIR P-CARD OR OR. OUR SYSTEM ALLOWS THEM TO ENTER A REQUEST FOR CHECK. AT. THE NEXT STEP IS WHERE OUR INFORMAL PURCHASE THRESHOLD STARTS, AND THAT RANGES. SO YOU'LL SEE THE THREE COLUMNS IN THE MIDDLE. THAT IS YOUR INFORMAL PURCHASE GROUP, BUT THE FIRST ONE RANGES FROM 2500 UP TO 24, OR RIGHT BELOW 25,000. THIS IS THE BEGINNING STEP WHERE WE DO REQUIRE THREE QUOTES. THE PURPOSE OF THAT IS TO SOLICIT FAIR COMPETITION. SO WE ARE ASKING THAT DEPARTMENTS ARE OBTAINING THREE QUOTES. 
          THEY ENTER THAT INTO A REQUISITION THROUGH MUNIS THAT WORKFLOWS. WE ALSO ASK THAT THEY ARE PROVIDING US, THE MAYOR, SOLICITING THOSE QUOTES TO ENSURE THAT THEY'VE TAKEN A FAIR PRACTICE AT GETTING THOSE QUOTES AND NOT GIVEN VENDOR A SOME INFORMATION THAT IS DIFFERENT FROM VENDOR B. SO WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THOSE COMMUNICATION POINTS ARE THE SAME. WHENEVER THEY'RE ASKING FOR QUOTES, THEY'RE ASKING FOR THE SAME SAME ITEM, SAME QUANTITY, AND IN TURN, GETTING A APPLES FOR APPLES COMPARISON FROM THE DIFFERENT QUOTES THAT THEY COLLECT. SO UP UNTIL THAT $25,000 THRESHOLD THAT COMES TO PURCHASING FOR APPROVAL WHENEVER THE WORK FLOWS THROUGH MUNIS. AFTER 25,000, THERE IS A NEXT LEVEL THRESHOLD UP TO 75,000. THAT ONE IS VERY SIMILAR IN TERMS OF REQUIRING THE THREE QUOTES AND HOW IT'S SOLICITED, BUT AT THAT POINT IT ALSO REQUIRES FINANCE DIRECTOR APPROVAL, AND THEN IT GOES UP TO $125,000. AND SIMILAR TO THE TWO STEPS BEFORE IT, IT WOULD REQUIRE PURCHASING DIRECTOR, FINANCE DIRECTOR. AND THEN WITH THIS ONE, ALSO CITY MANAGER APPROVAL. AND THEN THAT IS WHERE THE INFORMAL PURCHASE THRESHOLD STOPS AND THE FORMAL PURCHASE THRESHOLD BEGINS. AT THAT POINT, WE. THE PURCHASING DIVISION TAKES OVER HANDLING OF THE SOLICITATION, AND WE HAVE TO ISSUE A FORMAL SOLICITATION, EITHER THROUGH AN INVITATION TO BID OR A REQUEST FOR PROPOSALS. 
          AND THEN IF THAT CONTRACT AMOUNT IS ANTICIPATED TO BE $125,000 OR MORE, THAT IS WHEN IT COMES TO BEFORE COUNCIL FOR RECOMMENDATION. AND ON THE PRIOR SLIDE, I TOUCHED ON. THIS BEFORE, BUT. THE PROCESS HAS TO BE FAIR. THE EFFORT AND RESULTS HAVE TO BE DOCUMENTED. SO WHEN WE DO HAVE A REQUISITION COME THROUGH AGAIN, IT'S COLLECTING HOW THE QUOTES WERE SOLICITED AND THEN ENSURING THAT THE QUOTES THAT DO COME IN. THEY HAVE A LIST OF THE EXACT APPLES OR APPLES ITEMS, QUANTITIES THAT EVERYTHING MATCHES UP TO ENSURE THAT WE'VE GOTTEN A FAIR COMPARISON. IN INSTANCES WHERE THERE THE PURCHASING ORDINANCE DOES ALLOW SOME SOME FLEXIBILITY WHERE DEPARTMENTS ARE ABLE TO PARTICIPATE IN A STATE OR WHAT'S CALLED COOPERATIVE CONTRACTS PRESENTED A COUPLE OF INSTANCES IN THE PAST BEFORE WITH OUR CITY'S AGREEMENT THAT'S PENDING WITH CENTOS AND THEN A FEW OTHERS THAT COME BEFORE IN THE PAST. 
          BUT WHAT WE HAVE TO ENSURE IS THAT A COOPERATIVE AND OR STATE OR PIGGYBACK TYPE CONTRACT WORK 
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VERY SIMILAR. IT'S AN INSTANCE WHERE ANOTHER PUBLIC ENTITY HAS DONE A COMPETITIVE PROCUREMENT AND OBTAINED A CONTRACT. PIGGYBACKING REFERS TO. US BASICALLY PARTICIPATING AS A THIRD PARTY TO THAT CONTRACT BUT WITH THE SAME VENDOR. SO WE DO HAVE TO ENSURE THAT ALL THE SAME CONTRACT TERMS WERE ABLE TO MEET. OR IF THERE ARE SOME CHANGES, THEN WE WE WOULD HAVE TO LOOK AT THAT. BUT THE PURCHASING ORDINANCE DOES ALLOW FOR THAT IN A LOT OF INSTANCES, AND IT JUST OFFERS SOME FLEXIBILITY THERE. BUT IT ENSURES THAT A COMPETITIVE PROCESS HAS HAPPENED IN THE PAST IN ORDER TO OBTAIN THAT SERVICE. SO THERE ARE A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT COOPERATIVES OUT THERE. SOURCEWELL AND OMNIA ARE PROBABLY TWO OF THE MOST POPULAR, BUT THERE'S A NUMBER OF OTHERS. IN ADDITION TO THAT, THE STATE OF GEORGIA DEPARTMENT OF ADMIN SERVICES HAS A LARGE NUMBER OF CONTRACTS THAT DEPARTMENTS HAVE THE OPTION TO PARTICIPATE IN. WHENEVER WE DO CHOOSE TO PARTICIPATE IN THAT, WE HAVE TO OBTAIN THE RFP NORMALLY THE CONTRACT ITSELF, AND THEN WE HAVE TO OBTAIN APPROVAL FROM THAT ORGANIZATION. 
          IN MOST CASES, THAT IT'S ALL RIGHT FOR US TO PARTICIPATE WITH THAT CONTRACT. THERE ARE INSTANCES ALSO WHERE DEPARTMENTS ARE UNABLE TO FIND OTHER QUOTES. WE DO HAVE A PROCESS SEPARATE FOR THAT, SEPARATE FOR THAT. THAT CALLS FOR EITHER A SOLE SOURCE REQUEST OR A STANDARDIZATION REQUEST. THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THOSE SOLE SOURCE IS A PROCESS WHERE WE VERIFY THAT WE'RE UNABLE TO FIND ANY OTHER VENDORS THAT CAN PRODUCE THAT EXACT SAME PRODUCT. WE DO HAVE A FORMAL PROCESS WHENEVER THAT THAT OCCURS. SO WE WOULD GET A LETTER THAT STATES FROM THE VENDOR THAT THEY ARE THE ONLY SUPPLIER OF THAT PRODUCT. AND THEN WE NORMALLY USE A NUMBER OF TOOLS TO. DO SOME MARKET RESEARCH OURSELVES TO SEE IF THAT IS TRUE. AND IN SOME INSTANCES, WE ALSO REACH OUT TO OTHER CITY OR COUNTY GOVERNMENTS TO VERIFY IF THEY HAVE ALSO DETERMINED IF THAT VENDOR IS CONSIDERED A SOLE SOURCE. SO WE DO AS MUCH AS WE CAN TO VERIFY IF IF THAT REALLY IS A SOLE SOURCE, OR IF THEY'RE JUST TRYING TO PICK THEIR FAVORITE VENDOR. WE DO HAVE A PROCESS THAT VERIFIES THAT WE DON'T JUST TAKE IT AT THEIR WORD. STANDARDIZATION IS JUST A LITTLE DIFFERENT, BUT IT. 
          WHENEVER THERE ARE PRODUCTS THAT ARE A LESSER QUALITY. OR DO NOT MEET SOME OF THE STANDARDS OR CODES OR SOMETHING THAT WE HAVE BUILT INTO OUR CITY POLICY, OUR DEPARTMENT IS ABLE TO SHOW THAT SOMETHING HAS TO MEET THEIR CERTAIN POLICIES OR PROCEDURES. IF, IF THEY CAN SHOW THAT, WE WOULD GO THROUGH A STANDARDIZATION PROCESS AND WE WOULD HAVE IN THE FORM SHOWING WHERE SOMETHING IS UP TO A CERTAIN CITY STANDARD AND SIGN OFF THAT WAY. BUT THAT THAT IS ANOTHER WAY FOR A DEPARTMENT TO. NOT BYPASS GETTING THREE QUOTES, BUT IN AN INSTANCE WHERE THEY HAVE TO MEET SOMETHING THAT IS UP TO A CITY STANDARD, THEN THAT OPTION IS THERE. THERE WILL BE A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT WAYS THAT WE WILL CONTINUE OVERSEEING VENDOR RELATIONSHIPS, AS I MENTIONED EARLIER, EACH DEPARTMENT HAS GONE THROUGH AND NAMED THE EMPLOYEES FROM THEIR DEPARTMENTS THAT ARE OVERSEEING. EACH CONTRACT OR RELATIONSHIP THAT WE HAVE WITH VENDORS. WE HAVE ON ON CITYLINK. OR THE INTRANET WE DO PLAN ON OR IN THE PROCESS OF SETTING UP TRAINING MODULES TO WORK WITH EACH CONTRACT MANAGER, AND THEN HAVE TWO DIFFERENT A QUARTERLY AND ANNUAL VENDOR PERFORMANCE FORM THAT WILL HELP US TO 
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DOCUMENT IF WE HAVE POORLY PERFORMING VENDORS AND WE HAVE A BID THAT THEY PLAN ON SUBMITTING. IF WE HAVE A SOLICITATION, THEY PLAN ON SUBMITTING A BID FOR WHERE THEY'VE LACKED PERFORMANCE IN THE PAST. WE'LL BE ABLE TO TRACK THAT HISTORY, BUT IT ALSO. 
          IF WE HAVE GOOD PERFORMING VENDORS, WE CAN. IT'LL HELP BE REFLECTIVE OF THAT AS WELL. BUT THOSE ARE JUST SOME OF THE STEPS THAT WE ARE TAKING THERE. THOSE WILL ALSO ALLOW CONTRACT MANAGERS TO UPDATE IF WE'RE HAVING A TIMELINESS ISSUES WITH VENDORS, IF THEY ARE TRYING TO PROCESS A NUMBER OF CHANGE ORDERS THROUGH THAT. WE'RE HAVING PROBLEMS WITH. ANYTHING ALONG THOSE LINES. SO THE NEXT STEPS IN TERMS OF UPDATING. DEPARTMENTS ON THE NEW PURCHASING ORDINANCE IS. IMPLEMENTING THOSE DIFFERENT EVALUATIONS. HAVING CONTRACT MANAGERS GO THROUGH TRAINING AND JUST BRINGING IT UP TO A DAY TO DAY. BUILDING IN BUILDING IN THAT TRAINING, BUT ALSO DAY TO DAY OPERATION, IMPLEMENTING THESE THINGS INTO WHAT DEPARTMENTS ARE DOING ON A DAY TO DAY BASIS. SO THAT IS HAVING DEPARTMENTS FAMILIAR WITH THOSE VENDOR PERFORMANCE EVALUATIONS. THAT WAY THEY KNOW WHERE TO. WHERE TO GO IF THEY'RE HAVING TROUBLE WITH VENDORS. HOW TO DOCUMENT THAT. AND THEN ALSO MAKING SURE THAT IN INSTANCES WHERE WE HAVE. WHERE WE HAVE EMPLOYEES PARTICIPATE IN UPCOMING RFPS, WE'LL ALSO HAVE. A DOCUMENTATION THAT THEY ARE CLEAR ON HOW EVALUATION COMMITTEES WORK. THEY'RE VERIFYING WHETHER OR NOT THERE ARE ANY TYPE OF CONFLICT OF INTEREST, WHETHER OR NOT THEY HAVE TO RECUSE THEMSELVES FROM AN EVALUATION COMMITTEE. BUT ALL THAT WILL BE DOCUMENTED AS WELL. BUT IN SUMMARY, I WE WANTED TO PROVIDE AN UPDATE ON HOW THE ROLLOUT OF THE PURCHASING ORDINANCE TIERS ARE BEING IMPLEMENTED. HOW WE ARE ENFORCING THE DIFFERENT PROCUREMENT METHODS WITH DEPARTMENTS, AND ALSO TRAINING THEM ON THE DIFFERENT RESOURCES THAT ARE AVAILABLE AS THEY ARE MAKING PURCHASES. AND THEN ALSO HOW WE ARE WORKING WITH DEPARTMENTS IN HOLDING THEM ACCOUNTABLE AND MAKING PURCHASES THE RIGHT WAY. DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR PRESENTATION. I'LL ASK AROUND. DOES ANYBODY WANT TO BE RECOGNIZED BY THE MAYOR TO ASK ANY QUESTIONS? YES. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. THANK YOU SO MUCH, MR. MORRIS, FOR YOUR PRESENTATION. YES, MA'AM. IT'S GOOD TO SEE THIS PROCESS AND WHAT YOU ALL ARE DOING IN PROCUREMENT. JUST GOT A QUESTION. SO THIS HAS ONLY BEEN ACTIVE SINCE JULY 1ST, RIGHT? YES, MA'AM. WE THOUGHT THAT HAVE AFTER IT GOT APPROVED IN MAY, HAVING IT GO INTO EFFECT AT THE BEGINNING OF JULY TO START WITH THE NEW FISCAL YEAR WOULD BE A GOOD TIMING TO START. 
          OKAY, OKAY. JUST WANTED TO KNOW, DO YOU HAVE A STATUS UPDATE OF HOW THINGS ARE GOING RIGHT NOW? YOU'RE DOING VERY WELL. IT'S WE'VE IT'S HARD TO SET THOSE THINGS UP ALL AT ONCE. TO START ON JULY 1ST, BUT WE ARE IN THE PROCESS OF GETTING EVERYTHING UP WITH THE DIFFERENT TRAINING RESOURCES AND. THE MAKING SURE THE DEPARTMENTS KNOW THEY HAVE TO HAVE THESE VENDOR PERFORMANCE EVALUATIONS IN ORDER TO DO A RENEWAL. WE DIDN'T WANT TO MAKE IT 
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IMPOSSIBLE FOR DEPARTMENTS TO DO THAT, SO WE'RE TRYING TO EASE THEM INTO IT. SO RIGHT NOW WE'RE ON A TRIAL BASIS OF A THINK WITH OUR HVAC. MAINTENANCE CONTRACT WITH. WE CONTACTED FACILITIES MAINTENANCE AND ASKED THEM TO PERFORM A VENDOR PERFORMANCE EVALUATION. BEFORE WE PUT THAT BACK OUT ON THE STREET. BUT WE'RE WE'RE ON A TRIAL BASIS OF THAT. WE HAVE THE FORMS READY, BUT WE JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY ARE CAPTURING ALL THE INFORMATION THAT WE NEED TO BE TO SUPPORT WHAT WE NEED THE FORM FOR. OKAY. DO YOU HAVE A TIME FRAME OF WHEN THIS WILL BE? EVERYTHING WILL BE IMPLEMENTED IN STARTING LIKE THE WHOLE PROCESS? YES, MA'AM. BY LATER LATE FALL IN HOPES TO REALLY HAVE EVERYTHING IN PLACE BY JANUARY 2027. SO IT IT, I THINK WE'RE AT A GOOD POINT TO HAVE ALL THAT. WE'RE JUST HAVING ALL THE RESOURCES AVAILABLE TO PUT IT INTO PLACE AND HAVE DEPARTMENTS KNOW WHERE TO GO. 
          AT THE SAME TIME, THERE'S WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH IT TO MAKE SURE THAT IF SOMETHING'S NOT ON CITY LINK WHERE IT SHOULD GO. SO IT'S, IT'S JUST BEEN TALKING WITH THEM ABOUT THAT, BUT THEY'VE BEEN HELPING US THROUGH THAT. OKAY. OKAY. AND JUST ONE LAST QUESTION. JUST TALKING ABOUT HOW DO YOU HANDLE THE COMPATIBILITY ISSUES WHEN SOMEONE HAS A PRODUCT AND IT'S, YOU KNOW, IT CAN BE SOFTWARE, IT COULD BE ANYTHING BUT AND THEY ONLY HAVE ONE VENDOR THAT IS THE PREFERRED VENDOR FOR THAT ITEM. SO HOW ARE YOU ALL HANDLING THAT? SO THAT THAT WOULD, WE WOULD START TO LOOK AT THAT AS POTENTIALLY A SOLE SOURCE REQUEST. AND WHAT WE DO IN THAT POINT IS WE'LL TALK WITH THE VENDOR AND SEE IF THEY WORK WITH ANY OTHER CITIES OR COUNTIES AND HAVE THEM AS A CLIENT, AND THEN ASK IF THEY HAVE A LETTER THAT THEY OFFER AS BEING A SOLE SOURCE, SOLE SOURCE PROVIDER FOR THAT PRODUCT. AND THEN WE DO OUR DUE DILIGENCE AND FOLLOW UP WITH THE CITY OR COUNTY AND ASK IF THEY HAVE DETERMINED IF THAT IS A SOLE SOURCE PROVIDER FOR WHAT THEY USE. AND THEN I WOULD SAY THAT GOV, AI AND CHATGPT HAVE BEEN REALLY HELPFUL IN HELPING US DETERMINE IF THERE ARE LIKE ANY TYPE OF COOPERATIVE OR STATE CONTRACTS THAT THAT VENDOR PARTICIPATES IN THAT WAY. THERE'S 2 OR 3 DIFFERENT WAYS THAT WE CAN VERIFY IT'S A. VALID RESOURCE THAT WE CAN USE. THANK YOU. YES, MA'AM. ANYONE ELSE WITH QUESTIONS? YES. I JUST WANT TO FOLLOW UP ON COUNCILMEMBER JONES'S QUESTION ABOUT THE STATUS OF THE PROGRAM. SO IT STARTED JULY 1ST. RIGHT NOW, IF WE SPEND $2,500 OR MORE, WE HAVE TO GET THREE BIDS CORRECT. PRETTY MUCH THE RULE NOW WAS THAT THE RULE BEFORE WAS THAT THE THE MINIMUM, IF IT WAS. THERE. THERE HAS BEEN A CHANGE AND I, I CAN'T REMEMBER PRIOR TO. I THINK IT MAY HAVE BEEN A LESSER AMOUNT BEFORE, BUT THEN IT WAS INCREASED TO 2500. BUT THAT IS CONSISTENT WITH US REQUIRING VENDORS TO PROVIDE US WITH AN E VERIFICATION LETTER THAT WE HAVE TO HAVE FOR, FOR TAX PURPOSES. WHENEVER WE SEND A 1099, THEY WE HAVE TO HAVE. THE VENDORS E VERIFICATION NUMBER FOR REPORTING TO THE STATE. HOW HARD HAS IT BEEN TO GET THREE BIDS, THREE WRITTEN FORMAL BIDS SINCE JULY 1ST? IT SOUNDS LIKE WE WERE DOING IT ANYWAY. BUT PUTTING ASIDE THE SOLE SOURCE ISSUE, IS IT PRETTY SIMPLE TO GET THREE DIFFERENT COMPANIES TO GIVE US A QUOTE FOR PRETTY MUCH ANYTHING WE WANT? YES, SIR. 
          I THINK GIVEN. JUST THE ABILITY TO. I THINK AI IS ACTUALLY PRETTY HELPFUL IN THAT CIRCUMSTANCE BECAUSE YOU CAN PUT IN, I'M LOOKING TO GET A FENCING AT SO AND SO ADDRESS. 
          WHAT ARE THREE COMPANIES IN THIS AREA? HERE'S WHAT EXACTLY WHAT TYPE OF MATERIAL I'M LOOKING TO USE ON THE FENCE WHEN I NEED IT DONE. BUT IT IS IT'S FAIRLY EASY TO GET QUOTES ON ALL THESE CIRCUMSTANCES, BUT WE HAVE THOSE BACKUP OPTIONS IN PLACE WHEN WE HAVE DEPARTMENTS THAT CAN'T. THERE ARE LIKE OUR ELECTRIC DEPARTMENT HAS VENDOR THAT IS. THEY HAVE TO HAVE, I 
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FORGET THE NAME OF THE. IT'S NOT OSHA, BUT THEY HAVE TO HAVE A TESTING DONE EVERY SO OFTEN. 
          AND THERE'S ONLY ONE VENDOR THAT DOES THAT TYPE OF TESTING. SO WE HAD JACKSON EMC VERIFY THAT THAT'S WHO THEY ALSO USE. AND THEY CONSIDER A SOLE SOURCE. SO THAT THAT'S JUST ONE EXAMPLE. 
          BUT IN MOST INSTANCES IT IT THEY'RE ABLE TO FIND THREE QUOTES. GOOD. WELL IT'S GOT A GOOD THING GOING. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THE PRESENTATION. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? NO QUESTIONS. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR PRESENTATION. WE LOOK FORWARD TO THE CONTINUED IMPLEMENTATION. NEXT, WE'LL MOVE ON TO ITEM SIX. RESIDENTIAL VEHICLE PARKING PROPERTY MAINTENANCE VERSUS ZONING. THIS ITEM IS BEING PRESENTED BY DIRECTOR OF PLANNING AND DEVELOPMENT TODD HARGRAVE. AND THIS ALSO IS JUST A PRESENTATION. THERE'LL BE NO NEEDED ACTION BY THE COUNCIL. YES, SIR. AS YOU MENTIONED, THIS IS A PRESENTATION REGARDING RESIDENTIAL VEHICLE PARKING AND SOME EXPLANATION RELATING TO PROPERTY MAINTENANCE AND ZONING ISSUES. I'LL START WITH WHAT ARE WE FOCUSING ON TODAY? IS, IS WHAT WE ARE DOING IS HOW TO DISTINGUISH THE CODE OF THE CITY OF LAWRENCEVILLE FROM THE ZONING ORDINANCE AND HOW EACH DOCUMENT ADDRESSES RESIDENTIAL PARKING STANDARDS, INCLUDING REQUIRED OFF STREET PARKING SPACES, GARAGE AND CARPORT PROVISIONS, AND DRIVEWAY OR PARKING PAD REQUIREMENTS. THE CODE AND ORDINANCES AND QUESTIONS ARE AS FOLLOWS. THE CODE OF THE CITY OF LAWRENCEVILLE CHAPTER TEN PROPERTY MAINTENANCE CODE. 
          SPECIFICALLY SECTION TEN DASH 31 VEHICLES. THE CODE OF THE CITY OF LAWRENCEVILLE. CHAPTER 36 TRAFFIC AND MOTOR VEHICLES, SECTION 36-6. PARKING RULES FOR SPECIFIC ZONING CLASSIFICATIONS AND THE ZONING ORDINANCE. ARTICLE FIVE PARKING. AND. WELL, WHAT ARE WE. WHAT ARE THE RESPECTIVE ROLES OF PROPERTY MAINTENANCE, POLICE ENFORCEMENT AND LAND USE AND ZONING? THE PROPERTY MAINTENANCE ORDINANCE, ENFORCED BY CODE ENFORCEMENT, REGULATES THE ONGOING CONDITION OF USE AND USE OF PRIVATE PROPERTY, INCLUDING ROUTINE MAINTENANCE, PARKING AND STORAGE, THE TRAFFIC AND MOTOR VEHICLE LAWS ENFORCED BY THE POLICE DEPARTMENT. SAFEGUARD PUBLIC SAFETY BY ADDRESSING EMERGENCIES. SORRY. EXCUSE ME. ADDRESSING EMERGENCIES, MAINTAINING LAW AND ORDER, AND MANAGING TRAFFIC OPERATIONS. LAND USE DESCRIBES THE INTENDED OR ACTUAL PURPOSE OF A PROPERTY SUCH AS LIVING, WORKING OR RECREATION. WHILE THE ZONING ORDINANCE PROVIDES REGULATORY FRAMEWORK THAT GOVERNS THOSE USES, SPECIFYING WHICH ACTIVITIES ARE PERMITTED, PROHIBITED OR ALLOWED WITH A SPECIAL USE PERMIT. THERE ARE 16 SLIDES TO GO THROUGH. I'LL GO THROUGH EACH ONE, BUT IF YOU GET THE POINT, YOU'LL SEE WHAT'S GOING ON AFTER THE FIRST EIGHT AT LEAST. BUT WE FIRST WE HAVE WHAT'S CALLED AN APPROVED HARD SURFACE. WE HAVE A DEFINITION FOR THAT THAT PROBABLY HAS A LITTLE BIT MORE DISCUSSION, BUT WE WON'T TALK ABOUT THAT TONIGHT. BUT YOU CAN SEE HERE THESE ARE THE THREE RULES. THESE ARE THE TWO RULES IN THE ZONING ORDINANCE AND THE THE CODE OF ORDINANCES. THE CODE OF ORDINANCES, WHICH THIS IS REGULATED BY THE TRAFFIC AND MOTOR DIVISION VEHICLES. EXCUSE ME. THE POLICE MUST PARK ON CONCRETE, ASPHALT, GRASS CREEK OR OTHER IMPERVIOUS SURFACES, INCLUDING PAVERS. ANY PARKING AREA MUST BE DIRECTLY ADJACENT TO A PAVED DRIVEWAY. ZONING ORDINANCE ARTICLE FIVE SECTION 501 PARKING ON ANY HARD SURFACE, DRIVEWAY, CARPORT OR GARAGE. 
          SECTION 509 B DEFINES SURFACING AS ASPHALT, CONCRETE, OR OTHER COMPARABLE DURABLE MATERIAL. NO EXPLICIT GRASS CREEK PAVERS, ETC. OUR RECOMMENDATION FOR THIS IS TO DELETE THE HARD SURFACE LANGUAGE FROM THE CODE OF ORDINANCES. CHAPTER 36, ZONING ORDINANCE, ARTICLE FIVE AND TEN AND ANY OTHER NON PROPERTY MAINTENANCE CODE REFERENCE AND RELOCATE THE OPERATIONAL RULE ENTIRELY IN THE PROPERTY MAINTENANCE ORDINANCE. CHAPTER TEN. NEXT IS THE MAXIMUM NUMBER OF VEHICLES ALLOWED ON A PROPERTY. THE CODE OF ORDINANCES ALLOWS A MAXIMUM OF FOUR VEHICLES INCLUDING WATERCRAFT AND TRAILERS. VEHICLES PARKED INSIDE A CARPORT OR GARAGE DO NOT COUNT TOWARD THE MAXIMUM. THE ZONING ORDINANCE STATES MAXIMUM OF FOUR VEHICLES OR VESSELS TOTAL, INCLUDING THOSE IN CARPORTS AND GARAGES. THE RECOMMENDATION FROM STAFF IS TO DELETE THE MAXIMUM VEHICLE COUNT FROM THE CODE OF ORDINANCES. CHAPTER 36 THE ZONING ORDINANCE ARTICLE FIVE AND ANY OTHER NON PROPERTY MAINTENANCE CODE REFERENCES AND RELOCATE RELOCATE THIS INTO THE PROPERTY MAINTENANCE. CHAPTER TEN. THE RECOMMENDED PROPOSED 
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LANGUAGE WOULD BE NO MORE THAN FOUR VEHICLES PARKED OUTSIDE OF A PRINCIPAL DWELLING UNIT ON AN APPROVED HARD SURFACE. IMPERVIOUS COVERAGE. CHAPTER 36 HAS LESS OR EQUAL TO LESS THAN 35% OF THE FRONT YARD OR REAR YARD MAY CONSIST OF DRIVEWAY, PARKING AREA AND THE REMAINDER MUST BE GRASS LANDSCAPED. THIS PARTICULAR RULE PROHIBITS YOU FROM DOING SOMETHING LIKE A SWIMMING POOL IN YOUR YARD. IN THE BACKYARD. IT COVERS THE ENTIRE PROPERTY. THAT'S THAT'S A PROBLEM. I DON'T THINK THE POLICE WANT TO ENFORCE THAT RULE EITHER. SO THE OTHER IS THE ZONING ORDINANCE, WHICH LIMITS THE FRONT YARD IMPERVIOUS SURFACE TO 35%. 
          THAT'S WHERE WE REALLY REGULATE IT. IN CASE SOMEBODY WANTED TO PUT PARKING PADS, ETC. IN THE FRONT YARD IF THEY CAME IN FOR THAT. SO THERE'S NO PARALLEL RULE STATED FOR REAR YARD, THOUGH OTHER SECTIONS REGULATE LOCATION AND SCREENING. THE RECOMMENDATION IS DELETE THE IMPERVIOUS SURFACE LIMIT LANGUAGE FROM CODE OF ORDINANCES. CHAPTER 36 AND THE ZONING ORDINANCE, ARTICLE FIVE AND TEN AND ANY OTHER NON DEVELOPMENT REGULATION REFERENCES AND RELOCATE THE IMPERVIOUS SURFACE RULES ENTIRELY INTO THE CITY'S DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS AND POST-CONSTRUCTION STORMWATER MS4 ORDINANCE. THIS IS AN ENTIRELY DIFFERENT PERMIT. SWIMMING POOLS ARE REGULATED BY THE STATE, WHICH. THERE ARE CERTAIN STANDARDS THEY HAVE TO GO THROUGH AND THIS IS A. THE REALLY A DEVELOPMENT ISSUE. 
          RECREATIONAL VEHICLES CHAPTER 36 STATES NO EXPLICIT REAR YARD REQUIREMENT OR SETBACK, ONLY SURFACE COUNT AND LICENSE PLATE RULES. THE ZONING ORDINANCE. RVS AND STATES. RVS. NON MOTOR VEHICLES MUST BE IN A CARPORT, ENCLOSED STRUCTURE OR REAR YARD ON AN APPROVED HARD SURFACE. 
          REAR YARD PARKING MUST BE AT LEAST 15FT FROM THE PROPERTY LINE. THE RECOMMENDATION DELETE REAR YARD RV LOCATION SETBACK LANGUAGE FROM THE CODE OF ORDINANCES. CHAPTER 36 THE ZONING ORDINANCE ARTICLE FIVE AND TEN AND ANY OTHER NON PROPERTY MAINTENANCE CODE. 
          REFERENCES AND RELOCATE THE RV PLACEMENT RULE ENTIRELY IN THE PROPERTY MAINTENANCE ORDINANCE. 
          CHAPTER TEN ZONING APPLIES ONLY TO BUILDINGS, STRUCTURES AND PERMANENT DEVELOPMENT. YOU GUYS STOP ME IF YOU WANT TO ASK ANY QUESTIONS AT ANY TIME. VEHICLE DIMENSIONS. CODE OF ORDINANCES. 
          STATES. CHAPTER 36. SECTION 36. EXCUSE ME. ADDRESSES PUBLIC STREET PARKING OF VEHICLES OVER EIGHT FEET WIDE OR TEN FEET IN HEIGHT UNLESS OPERATOR PRESENT. THIS IS A STREET JURISDICTION. 
          NOT ON A LOT. THE ZONING ORDINANCE ARTICLE FIVE, PROHIBITS PARKING OF ANY VEHICLE IN A RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT OVER 20FT LONG, SEVEN FEET IN HEIGHT, OR SEVEN FEET WIDE, WITH ENUMERATED EXCEPTIONS, WHICH WOULD BE GOLF CARTS AND RECREATIONAL OFF HIGHWAY VEHICLES. PROBABLY LIKE YOUR DUNE BUGGIES, IS WHAT I WOULD CALL THEM. I DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY'RE CALLED ANYMORE. THE RECOMMENDATION FROM STAFF IS TO DELETE VEHICLE DIMENSION LANGUAGE FROM THE CODE OF ORDINANCES, CHAPTER 36, ZONING ORDINANCE, ARTICLE FIVE AND TEN AND ANY OTHER NON PROPERTY MAINTENANCE CODE REFERENCE AND RELOCATE THE VEHICLE DIMENSIONAL RULES ENTIRELY INTO THE PROPERTY MAINTENANCE ORDINANCE. CHAPTER TEN ZONING ONLY APPLIES TO BUILDINGS, STRUCTURES AND PERMANENT DEVELOPMENT. AGRICULTURAL VEHICLES. THE ZONING ORDINANCE HAS SWITCHED IT UP HERE ON A FIVE ACRE PARCEL OF RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY. AGRICULTURE VEHICLES ARE PERMITTED OUTSIDE FRONT SETBACKS AND EXEMPT FROM HARD SURFACE REQUIREMENTS IF OUTSIDE THE FRONT YARD AREA. DON'T. WE DO NOT HAVE A LOT OF CONCERN WITH AGRICULTURAL PROPERTIES? THERE ARE. THERE'S ONE IN THE CITY AND I DON'T EVEN THINK TOTAL. IT'S FIVE ACRES. BUT EITHER WAY, CODE OF ORDINANCES DOESN'T DISCUSS THIS. THEREFORE, STAFF IS RECOMMENDING DELETE AGRICULTURAL VEHICLE LANGUAGE FROM THE ZONING ORDINANCE, ARTICLE FIVE AND ARTICLE TEN AND ANY OTHER NON PROPERTY MAINTENANCE CODE REFERENCES AND RELOCATE THE AGRICULTURAL VEHICLE PARKING RULES ENTIRELY IN THE PROPERTY MAINTENANCE ORDINANCE. LICENSE PLATE REQUIREMENTS THE CODE OF ORDINANCES SECTION 36 STATES UNLAWFUL TO PARK ANY VEHICLE OR VESSEL WITHOUT A VALID LICENSE PLATE ATTACHED IN RESIDENTIAL DISTRICTS. I HAVE TO ASSUME THROUGH INTERPRETATION THIS WOULD BE ON PRIVATE PROPERTY, NOT IN THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY. ZONING ORDINANCE NO EXPLICIT LICENSE PLATE CLAUSE FOR ON LOT PARKING RECOMMENDATION ON STREET PARKING RESTRICTIONS ARE ENFORCED BY THE LAWRENCEVILLE POLICE DEPARTMENT. OFF STREET PARKING RESTRICTIONS ARE ENFORCED BY CODE ENFORCEMENT UNIT. LICENSE PLATE VALIDATION IS SOLELY A LAW ENFORCEMENT FUNCTION. IT SHOULD NOT BE PERFORMED OR INTERPRETED AS A PROPERTY MAINTENANCE OR ZONING RESPONSIBILITY. SO I WILL ASK YOU THAT. YES, SIR. YOU'RE SAYING IT'S OKAY FOR SOMEONE TO HAVE A. AN AUTOMOBILE IN THEIR 
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DRIVEWAY THAT HAS NO LICENSE PLATE FOR ANY EXTENDED PERIOD OF TIME? YES, SIR. THERE'S NOT A REQUIREMENT FOR THAT. THAT'S A POLICE ISSUE. THE WAY I DON'T KNOW HOW TO HANDLE THAT. THAT'S. 
          YOU HAVE PEOPLE RESTORING VEHICLES ON THEIR SITES, WHICH IS BY STATE LAW OR SOME CODES. 
          WE HAVE. IT'S PERMITTED TO SOME EXTENT IF IT'S FOR PERSONAL USE. AND THIS WOULD JUST BE PART OF THEIR FOR VEHICLES, CORRECT? YES, SIR. WHAT IF IT HAS FOUR FLAT TIRES AND NO LICENSE PLATE? THAT'S DIFFERENT. THAT WOULD BE CONSIDERED A JUNK VEHICLE AND THAT'S HOW IT SHOULD BE LOOKED AT. THIS. I PROBABLY HAVE SOMETHING IN HERE ABOUT THIS AS WELL. BUT THERE'S A DEFINITION FOR JUNK VEHICLES. A LOT OF THIS WOULD BE TOOLS THAT WOULD BE USEFUL IN THE IN THE CODE ENFORCEMENT UNITS TOOL BELT. RIGHT NOW THEY'RE IN THE ZONING ORDINANCE, WHICH IS CLOUDED, MEANING WE ADOPTED A GWINNETT STANDARD, WHICH IS NOT SOMETHING I NECESSARILY AGREE WITH, WHICH IS A RARITY FOR ME TO SAY, MEANING THAT WHEN YOU MIX THESE PROPERTY MAINTENANCE ISSUES AND LAND USE AND ZONING ISSUES TOGETHER, IT BECOMES A PROBLEM AND IT'S TIME TO CLEAN IT UP, IN MY OPINION. YEAH, I SEE THAT. I HAVE A QUESTION, MR. GRAY. HOW DO YOU DISTINGUISH WITH THE NO MORE THAN FOUR VEHICLES PARKED OUTSIDE OF A PRINCIPAL DWELLING? HOW DO YOU HOW DO YOU DISTINGUISH A FAMILY WHO HAS FOUR VEHICLES AND A GATHERING? HOW DOES. HOW DOES THAT WORK? WILL THAT BE ADDRESSED? IT. IT SHOULD BE ALREADY. BUT IT'S THROUGH OBSERVATION. IS IT CONSTANTLY? ARE THERE CONSTANTLY FOUR CARS ON THE SITE? JUST COULDN'T HELP BUT LAUGH AT THAT. OKAY. MY MY LARGER QUESTION IS, IS THAT DID THAT ANSWER YOUR. I THINK I THINK IT NEEDS TO BE CLEARER AND SOMEHOW I KNOW WHAT YOU'RE SAYING BY OBSERVATION, I WASN'T I WASN'T FINISHED CHUCKLING SO SORRY. ONE IS YOU. WHEN YOU OBSERVE IT YOU KNOCK ON THE DOOR. YOU COMMUNICATE WITH THE PERSON THAT'S DIRECTLY IN FRONT OF YOU. EVEN IF IT'S A IF, EVEN IF IT IS A BIRTHDAY PARTY, IT SHOULD BE QUITE SIMPLE TO FIGURE OUT WHAT THEY'RE DOING. NOW. IF THEY'RE HAVING A BIRTHDAY PARTY THE NEXT DAY, THEN YOU START TO OBSERVE IT. YOU CREATE A NOTICE OF VIOLATION, AND YOU PUT THEM ON THE RECORD WITHOUT A NOTICE OF VIOLATION. NONE OF THIS MEANS ANYTHING. YOU HAVE TO HAVE RECORDS TO DO THIS. AND SO IT STARTS WITH ME KNOCKING ON ANYBODY'S DOOR AND ASKING WHAT YOU'RE DOING. NOW, SOME PEOPLE WILL CONSIDER THAT AN INVASION OF PRIVACY. SOME PEOPLE WOULD, SOME PEOPLE WOULD. BUT IT'S EASY TO FIX. OH, YOU'RE HAVING A BIRTHDAY PARTY. EXCUSE ME. 
          HAVE A NICE DAY. BUT IF I COME BACK THE NEXT DAY, KNOCK ON THE DOOR AND YOU HAVE ANOTHER BIRTHDAY PARTY THE NEXT DAY. THE NEXT DAY, YOU HAVE TO DOCUMENT THIS. SO THEY MAY BE GOING BACK BY. BUT YES, THERE'S A BETTER WAY TO DO IT. AND IT WOULD BE ACCEPTABLE IF SOMETHING HAPPENED, SAY ONCE A WEEK, THAT WOULD BE ACCEPTABLE. YES, MA'AM. OKAY. YES, MA'AM. 
          OKAY. I DON'T SEE A PROBLEM WITH IT. IT'S TO ME. YES. IF YOU SEE A BUNCH OF KIDS RUNNING AROUND THE YARD AND THEY ALL HAVE BIRTHDAY HATS ON, YOU SHOULD BE ABLE TO FIGURE OUT THAT THEY'RE POSSIBLY HAVING A BIRTHDAY PARTY. BUT IF YOU SEE THE SAME KIDS EVERY DAY, MAYBE THEY'RE COMING OVER TO PLAY AND THEY JUST LIKE PLAYING BIRTHDAY PARTY. SO YOU HAVE TO OBSERVE. 
          THANK YOU. SO WITHOUT GETTING ANY OF. HOW DO THE CITIZENS OF LAWRENCEVILLE KNOW WHAT THE RULES ARE? WELL, ONE, THEY'RE IN THE WRONG PLACE. BUT WITHOUT WITHOUT THEM, WITHOUT BEING TOLD THAT THEY, YOU KNOW, HERE'S YOUR NOTICE OF VIOLATION. YOU'VE GOT TOO MANY CARS OR YOU'VE DONE SOMETHING WRONG IN THIS MISHMASH OF RULES THAT WE WERE TRYING TO CLEAN UP HERE. 
          HOW DO THEY KNOW WHAT THE RULES ARE? TO BE HONEST WITH YOU, MOST PEOPLE DON'T. AND HOW THEY FIND OUT IS THEY THE PERSON THAT IS ENGAGING THEM IN CONVERSATION SHOULD PROVIDE THEM WITH THE INFORMATION, WHERE TO FIND IT, WHO TO TALK TO, WHAT TO DO. AND THAT'S THROUGH A NOTICE OF VIOLATION BECAUSE IT SHOULD HAVE A CODE SECTION ON THERE, SPECIFICALLY POINTING THEM TO A BOOK OR ORDINANCE OR A CODE OR A DEVELOPMENT REGULATION. BUT THEY'VE ALREADY VIOLATED IT. THEY'VE HAD A NOTICE OF VIOLATION. CORRECT. IS THERE ANY WAY THAT THE CITY CAN PROVIDE, ONCE WE GET THIS ALL FIGURED OUT, A LIST OF WHAT THE RULES ARE FOR CARS IN THE CITY OF LAWRENCEVILLE, AND WE SEND IT WITH THE UTILITY BILL, OR WE SEND IT WITH THE PROPERTY BILL, OR WE SEND IT SOMEHOW WE GET IT TO EVERYBODY WHO HAS A CAR OR A DRIVEWAY OR A GARAGE. SO THEY KNOW UP FRONT, IT'S ALMOST LIKE IF YOU IF YOU HAVE AN HOA, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU BUY A HOUSE IN A, IN A HOA NEIGHBORHOOD, YOU WERE GIVEN A COPY OF THE COVENANTS. 
          YES, SIR. YOU DON'T HAVE TO READ THEM. MOST PEOPLE DON'T. CORRECT. AND THEN YOU GET THE KNOCK ON THE DOOR FROM THE A, C, C OR WHOMEVER SAYING YOU GOT TOO MANY CARS, BUT AT LEAST WE'VE GIVEN. IN THAT CASE, THEY'VE BEEN GIVEN THE RULES THAT HAVE BEEN HANDED TO THEM. 
          HOW DO WE HAND THE RULES TO EVERY HOMEOWNER OR RENTER IN THE CITY? WHO'S GOING TO BE 
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AFFECTED BY THESE? WELL, FIRST AND FOREMOST, IT STARTS WITH DIRECT COMMUNICATION. THE SECOND WAY THAT I HAVE AVAILABLE TO ME RIGHT NOW IS OUR CODES ARE AVAILABLE ONLINE 24 HOURS A DAY. SHOULD THEY RECEIVE A NOTICE OF VIOLATION IF THEY DON'T RECEIVE A NOTICE OF VIOLATION, AND THEY'RE NOT TOLD WHAT A CODE SECTION IS, OR THEY RECEIVE A TICKET FOR BUILDING, LET'S JUST TAKE IT UP. ANOTHER STEP TO WHERE SOMEBODY IS DOING CONSTRUCTION WITHOUT A PERMIT. MOST PEOPLE THAT COME IN MY OFFICE, I DIDN'T KNOW I NEEDED A PERMIT. WELL, THEY DO, MOST OF THEM DO, BUT THEY COME IN. SO WE HAVE TO TELL THEM WHAT THE RULES ARE. HERE'S THE RULES. WHETHER THEY LEAVE, THEY CHOOSE TO LEAVE THE DOOR. USUALLY WE'RE GOING BACK OUT AND GIVING THEM A TICKET TO GO TO COURT BECAUSE THEY FAILED TO COME BACK. AND THERE'S AN EXAMPLE THAT YOU ALL ARE AWARE OF RIGHT NOW. I JUST, YOU KNOW, WHEN, WHEN YOU GET A DRIVER'S LICENSE, YOU TAKE A TEST. SO YOU KNOW WHAT THE RULES ARE WHEN YOU DRIVE YOUR CAR. YES, SIR. SO IF YOU GET PULLED OVER BY LAWRENCEVILLE POLICE, IT'S ON YOU BECAUSE YOU WERE TOLD WHAT THE RULES ARE. IN THIS CASE, I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY PEOPLE IN LAWRENCEVILLE KNOW WHAT THE RULES ARE WHEN IT COMES TO ZONING AND THINGS LIKE THIS. PEOPLE DON'T, QUITE FRANKLY, THEY DON'T KNOW. YOU COULD PROBABLY GO TO TEN HOUSES AND ASK PEOPLE, WHAT'S THE ZONING OF YOUR PROPERTY? AND PROBABLY IF I HAD A FAIR GUESS, WOULD BE 75% MIGHT GO, OH, I DON'T KNOW WHAT'S ZONING. TO SOME PEOPLE, IT DOESN'T MATTER. SO THEY FIND OUT THROUGH PROPER ACTION FROM CODE ENFORCEMENT, FROM BUILDING INSPECTIONS. I HATE THAT YOU'RE TELLING THEM THEY DID SOMETHING WRONG. MAYBE THEY WOULDN'T HAVE EVEN DONE THE THING THAT WAS WRONG IN THE FIRST PLACE IF THEY HAD KNOWN WHAT THE RULES WERE. COUNCIL MEMBER TRAVIS MAYOR PRO TEM, I THINK A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO, COMMUNICATIONS DID THAT, AND THEY DID REALLY A GOOD JOB OF PUTTING THOSE FLIERS AND NOT ONLY TALKING ABOUT PARKING, BUT OTHER THINGS THAT WERE RELATED TO CODE ENFORCEMENT. SO I HEAR WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. MAYBE IT'S TIME TO, YOU KNOW, WE SHOULD DO IT EVERY YEAR. IF WE'RE MAILING THE BILLS, WE'RE PROBABLY EMAILING THE BILLS. THAT WOULD BE ANOTHER QUESTION, BUT WE SHOULD BE SENDING IT OUT. THE RULES EVERY MONTH TO EVERY RESIDENT, WHENEVER WE CAN TOUCH THEM, TO LET THEM KNOW WHAT THIS IS IMPORTANT, YOU KNOW, FOR EVERYONE HAS A CAR AND THEY WANT TO, AND I'M SURE THEY WANT TO DRIVE AND PARK THEM IN THE RIGHT SPOT. THEY DON'T WANT TO VIOLATE THE LAW, AND IT'S EMBARRASSING. IF THEY GET A KNOCK ON THE DOOR FROM SOMEONE. IT IS, IT IS. SO I WOULD SAY 90% OF OUR RESIDENTS KNOW A LOT OF FOLKS THAT HAVE MOVED IN. AND ALSO I WOULD, I WOULD WE COULD ALMOST CHANGE THE TITLE OF OUR CODE ENFORCEMENT DEPARTMENT TO A CODE EDUCATION DEPARTMENT BECAUSE THEY DO MORE EDUCATION, THEY DO ENFORCEMENT, I'LL BE HONEST WITH YOU. SO, I MEAN, THEY'RE GOING TO KNOCKING ON THE DOORS AND THEY'RE EDUCATING, HEY, YOU'VE GOT SIX CARS. YOU KNOW, HERE'S IT'S NOT A TICKET. IT'S A NOTICE OF VIOLATION. GET IT CLEANED UP BEFORE THERE'S EVER A CITATION. 
          IF THEY DON'T CLEAN IT UP IN X AMOUNT OF DAYS, THEN IT MOVES TO A CITATION. AND IT'S JUST BASICALLY EDUCATION. SO OUR CODE ENFORCEMENT FOLKS ARE DOING A LOT OF EDUCATION EVERY DAY, KNOCKING ON DOORS, LETTING FOLKS KNOW YOU CAN'T DO THOSE TYPES. AND THAT'S GREAT. I JUST, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IF THERE'S A WAY WE CAN CUT DOWN ON THE WORKLOAD IN SOME CASES BY GETTING THE INFORMATION OUT BEFORE THE VIOLATION EVEN TAKES PLACE. AND IF WE HAVE A WAY OF TOUCHING THESE PEOPLE ON A MONTHLY BASIS WITH THE UTILITY BILLS OR ON AN ANNUAL BASIS WITH THE PROPERTY TAXES, WE SHOULD SAY, HEADS UP, GOT A CAR? HERE ARE THE RULES AND WRITE AS CLEARLY AS POSSIBLE SO PEOPLE CAN'T SAY THEY DIDN'T KNOW. YES, SIR. YES, SIR. I AGREE WITH YOU. 
          YES, WE'LL CONTINUE FORTH WITH THE PRESENTATION. STAY ON TRACK. BUT I THINK YOU'VE HEARD FROM COUNCIL COMMUNICATION. DRIVEWAY REQUIREMENTS. EXCUSE ME. DRIVEWAY REQUIREMENTS. THE CODE STATES PARKING AREA MUST BE DIRECTLY ADJACENT TO A PAVED DRIVEWAY. THAT'S A PARKING PAD. 
          I ASSUME ZONING ORDINANCE DRIVEWAYS MUST CONNECT TO A FRONT PLANE, CARPORT OR GARAGE. 
          120 BY 20 PAD ALLOWED WITH A TEN FOOT SETBACK. NO EXPLICIT ADJACENCY RULE FOR ALL PADS. 
          THAT IS A DEVELOPMENT REQUIREMENT THAT IS SPECIFIC TO A SITE PLAN, WHICH PEOPLE WILL HAVE TO BRING TO OUR DEPARTMENT, WITH A SEALED SURVEY SHOWING WHERE THE PAD IS LOCATED. BY LAW, I BELIEVE UNLESS THEY HAVE CHANGED IT, CONCRETE CAN BE ADJACENT TO A PROPERTY LINE, BUT OUR RECOMMENDATION IS THE VEHICLE ADJACENCY LANGUAGE FROM THE ZONING ORDINANCE, ARTICLE FIVE AND TEN AND ANY OTHER NON PROPERTY MAINTENANCE REFERENCES, AND RELOCATE THE ADDITIONAL PROPERTY MAINTENANCE RULE ENTIRELY IN THE PROPERTY MAINTENANCE. THE IDEA IS THEY GO INFORM THE PEOPLE IF THEY'VE CONSTRUCTED A PARKING PAD, SEND THEM TO OUR OFFICE AND WE WILL EXPLAIN TO THEM THE PERMIT THEY NEED TO CONSTRUCT THIS PAD. PERIOD. THE FIRST 10 TO 16FT AND ANYBODY'S PROPERTY OFF OF A PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY HAS TO BE BUILT TO A DOT STANDARD. THE REMAINING CONCRETE ON A PROPERTY CAN BE BUILT HOWEVER THE PERSON CHOOSES TO BUILD IT. 
          WE RECOMMEND AT LEAST THREE INCHES AND REINFORCEMENT. THE DEFINITIONS. THE ZONING ORDINANCE DEFINES A CARPORT AS A PERMANENT OPEN SIDED SHELTER FOR AN AUTOMOTIVE VEHICLE, 
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USUALLY FORMED BY A ROOF PROJECTING FROM THE SIDE OF A BUILDING. ARTICLE TEN DEFINITIONS FOR GARAGE IS A PERMANENT ENCLOSED AREA, PRIMARILY FOR PARKING OR STORING OF MOTOR VEHICLES. CODE OF ORDINANCES. CARPORT AND GARAGE ARE NOT DEFINED. TERMS OR WORDS. THIS IS A A LITTLE BIT OF A CONFLICT. IN MY OPINION, THE COUNTING METHOD INCLUDES EXCLUDING GARAGE CARPORT DIRECTLY CONTRADICTS RELIEF PATH WAIVERS OR VARIANCES IN APPROVING. OFFICIALS DO NOT MATCH. CLEANUP IS NEEDED. THE. THE TWO CAR GARAGE REQUIREMENT WE HAVE IN THE CITY IS CURRENTLY FOR TWO. WHEN IT'S FILLED UP WITH STORAGE, DO THEY LOSE THOSE SPACES? THAT'S SOMETHING TO THINK ABOUT. ARE THEY IN VIOLATION? WHAT IF THEY ONLY HAVE A TWO CAR GARAGE AND THEY ONLY HAVE FIVE FEET TO THE PROPERTY LINE? THEY CAN'T PARK ANYWHERE ELSE. SOMETHING TO THINK ABOUT AND SOMETHING ELSE TO THINK ABOUT. IN DEFINING THE CARPORTS. I LIVE IN AN OLDER NEIGHBORHOOD AND MANY PEOPLE DON'T USE THEIR CARPORTS FOR CARS. IT'S JUST STORAGE. YES, SIR. AND SO I GET COMPLAINTS ALL THE TIME ABOUT THAT. YES, SIR. SO HOW MANY CARS DO YOU ALLOW IN A CARPORT WITH STORAGE OR ALL STORAGE OR. THAT'S CORRECT. WHAT DO YOU CONSIDER STORAGE. SO WE REQUIRE NATIONAL CODE FOR PARKING IS YOU PROVIDE BY CODE TWO SPACES TWO CAR GARAGES TWO. WE REQUIRE. WE RIGHT NOW REQUIRE FOUR. THAT'S A BIG DIFFERENCE. YOU REDUCE THAT NUMBER, YOU REDUCE THE PARKING OUTSIDE. THAT'S JUST THE THOUGHT. WAIVERS AND VARIANCES WAIVERS FEES ARE NOT REQUIRED. WE HAVE A WAIVER IN CHAPTER 36 RIGHT NOW WHICH ALLOWS SOMEONE TO COME INTO OUR OFFICE TODAY, TOMORROW, OR EVEN THE NEXT DAY AND GET A WAIVER AS LONG AS THEY CAN PROVIDE LICENSE, DRIVER'S LICENSE, VEHICLE VIN NUMBERS, AND THE NUMBER OF LICENSED DRIVERS, THE NUMBER OF CARS PARKED OUTSIDE OF THAT DWELLING IS EQUAL TO THE NUMBER OF LICENSED DRIVERS IN THE HOUSE, PERIOD. I'VE ASKED THAT THIS BE REMOVED FOR YEARS, AND I STILL CONTINUE TO GET WAIVER REQUEST. I REFUSE THEM AND SEND THEM TO THE BOARD OF APPEALS. MOST PEOPLE DON'T GO. SO JUST LET YOU KNOW. RIGHT NOW WE HAVE VARIANCES WHERE THE FEES ARE REQUIRED. THE NUMBER OF VEHICLES OR VESSELS DOES NOT EXCEED A TOTAL OF FOUR VARIANCES ARE SUBJECT TO THE REVIEW AND APPROVAL OF THE BOARD OF APPEALS. THAT'S A PUBLIC HEARING. AGAIN, THE CONFLICT METHOD INCLUDES EXCLUDES INCLUDE VERSUS EXCLUDE. GARAGE CARPORT DIRECTLY CONTRADICTS RELIEF PATH VERSUS WAIVER VERSUS VARIANCE AND APPROVING OFFICIAL DO NOT MATCH. 
          AS THE DIRECTOR OF PLANNING AND DEVELOPMENT, I'M QUITE UNCOMFORTABLE WITH THE RULE IN CHAPTER 36, AN EXAMPLE OF A VARIANCE. LIKE SOMEBODY HAS A BOAT OR WHAT WOULD THEY BE ASKING A VARIANCE FOR IF THEY COME IN AND THEY HAVE, SAY, TWO BOATS, FOUR CARS, THEY'RE IN VIOLATION OF THE RULE AND THEY'RE ALL PARKED OUTSIDE. LET'S ASSUME THEY'RE ON A HARD SURFACE SO WE DON'T HAVE TO GO INTO DIRT AND GRAVEL. THEREFORE, THEY COULD COME IN AND ASK FOR A VARIANCE FOR RELIEF IF THEY SO CHOOSE. MOST DON'T, BUT THAT'S THEIR OPTION. THAT'S THEIR GET OUT OF JAIL FREE CARD. THAT IS, IF THEY GET A NOTICE OF VIOLATION, THEY'RE TOLD WHAT YOU CAN DO. THERE'S ALWAYS A WAY POSSIBLY TO GET RELIEF. IT'S WHETHER YOU CHOOSE TO GO THAT TAKE THAT PATH OR NOT. AND IF THEY PAY A FEE, HOW LONG CAN THEY KEEP THEIR SECOND BOAT ON THEIR PROPERTY IF THEY GET THE VARIANCE? IT DEPENDS ON HOW IT'S APPROVED OR CONDITIONED AT THE END. IF THEY WANT TO PUT A SUNSET CLAUSE ON A BOARD OF APPEALS AND VARIANCE, WHICH THEY POSSIBLY COULD, THEY COULD SAY TWO YEARS, WE COME BACK, KEEP A HISTORY. IF WE HAVE A HISTORY OF NO FEES. IF I DON'T HAVE A HISTORY, THEN THEY ARE NOT IN VIOLATION. THAT'S WHY THE ENERGY IS SO IMPORTANT TO ME. I'M NOT TRYING TO GET PEOPLE TO GO TO COURT. I'M TRYING TO MAKE THEM AWARE. AND SO WHEN I LOOK IT UP, IT'S NOT THERE, IT'S NOT THERE. SO THAT'S WHAT I HAVE TO REPORT WHEN YOU ASK. SO THEY COME BACK IN TWO YEARS AND YOU JUST DROVE BY AND YOU CAN TELL ME THERE WERE CARS THERE FOR TWO YEARS. IF I GO LOOK FOR AN NOV AND IT'S NOT AN NOV IN THERE, THAT'S ALL I CAN DO. YEAH. MY CONCLUSION IT'S THREE PAGES LONG. IT'S THREE PAGES LONG. TO ELIMINATE CONFLICTS AND IMPROVE ENFORCEMENT CLARITY AND ALIGN ALL PARKING, STORAGE AND VEHICLE RULES WITH THE CORRECT REGULATORY DOMAINS, DELETE PROPERTY MAINTENANCE, LAND USE, AND ZONING RULES FROM THE CODE OF ORDINANCES. CHAPTER 36 SHOULD ONLY CONTAIN CONTAIN ONLY PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY REGULATIONS. THAT'S STREET PRESENCE. THAT'S AN ENFORCEMENT. I BELIEVE. A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO WE ADOPTED A POLICY FOR ENFORCING THAT. I FORGET THE HOURS, BUT AFTER HOURS, AFTER HOURS PARKING AND RELOCATE EACH OF THESE RULE INTO ITS APPROPRIATE CODE ORDINANCE OR REGULATION, THE POLICE STREET PARKING RESTRICTIONS THAT'S ON STREET PARKING IS WHAT WE WOULD CALL IT FROM A ZONING STANDPOINT. VEHICLE STOPPAGE AND STANDING OPERATOR PRESENCE REQUIREMENTS. THAT'S SUCH AS 
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DELIVERIES DOWNTOWN. THERE'S SOME CONCERN ABOUT THAT AS WELL. AND LICENSE VALID, VALID, SORRY, LICENSE PLATE VALIDATION, LAW ENFORCEMENT FUNCTION ONLY. AGAIN, PROPERTY MAINTENANCE IS ABOUT UNLOCKED BEHAVIOR. THE MAXIMUM VEHICLE COUNT, HARD SURFACE PARKING BEHAVIOR, RECREATIONAL VEHICLE AND VESSEL PLACEMENT RULES. VEHICLE VESSELS ARE NOT STRUCTURES. 
          ZONING BUILT ENVIRONMENT DEVELOPMENT FORM ON LOT DIMENSIONAL STANDARD STATE LIMITS ONLY WHEN TIED TO STRUCTURES OR PERMANENT IMPROVEMENTS. DRIVEWAY AND PAD. 
          LOCATION AND SETBACKS AND LOCATION SHOULD BE SITE PLAN SPECIFIC CONCLUSION TO ELIMINATE CONFLICTS. IMPROVE CLARITY. AS I MENTIONED BEFORE, WE MOVE MS4 DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS WHEN IT COMES TO IMPERVIOUS SURFACE LIMITS AND POST-CONSTRUCTION STORMWATER CONTROLS, A CLEAR, MODERN, ENFORCEABLE CODE SYSTEM WHERE EVERY RULE LIVES IN ITS PROPER HOME, REDUCES CONFUSION FOR RESIDENTS, STAFF AND ELECTED OFFICIALS, AND IMPROVING CONSISTENCY AND COMPLIANCE CITY WIDE. HERE IS THE ANTICIPATED SCHEDULE. ONCE YOU GIVE ME DIRECTION, HOW YOU WANT TO PROCEED WITH THIS IS RIGHT NOW WITH OCTOBER 26TH. THE COUNCIL AUTHORIZES THE INITIATIVE INITIATION OF AN OFFICIAL CODE CLEANUP PACKAGE, ORGANIZING THE RULES INTO THEIR PROPER CODE SECTIONS. DECEMBER OF 2026 REVIEW STAFF'S PROPOSED REVISIONS DURING THE CITY COUNCIL WORK SESSION ON DECEMBER 16TH, 2026 AND JANUARY 2027. EVALUATE STAFF'S PROPOSED REVISIONS AND PROVIDE APPROVAL AT BOTH THE CITY COUNCIL REGULAR MEETING. EXCUSE ME, CITY COUNCIL REGULAR MEETING IN JANUARY OF 2027. MY FAVORITE PAGE. OKAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR PRESENTATION. COUNCIL. ARE YOU? I'LL JUST GO AHEAD AND ASK THE QUESTION, ARE YOU GOOD WITH THE ANTICIPATED SCHEDULE THAT THE TIDE HAS PUT FORTH? YES, YES. OKAY THEN, WITH THAT BEING SAID, YES, SIR. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR MR. HARGRAVE? JUST. I ONLY HAD ONE. YES, SIR. AND I'M TRYING TO GET PAST THE PAGE. THE WAIVER, WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THE WAIVER FOR THE NUMBER OF VEHICLES THAT ARE. OH YES SIR. YES, SIR. WHY IS THAT AUTOMATICALLY DENIED OR SENT? WHY IS IT DENIED OR SENT? IT WOULD BE DENIED IF THEY DON'T PROVIDE THE PROOF. ONE FOR EVERYONE. IF THERE'S A LICENSED DRIVER, THEY JUST CAME IN AND SAID, I GOT 16 CARS. GIVE ME A WAIVER. NO NO NO NO. SO FOR EXAMPLE, IF I HAVE A WORK VEHICLE, PERSONAL VEHICLE, LARGE FAMILY, IF IT'S A WORK VEHICLE OR COMMERCIAL VEHICLES, THOSE ARE PROHIBITED IN RESIDENTIAL ZONING DISTRICTS, SIMILAR AS A FORD EXPLORER OR. 
          YES, SIR. THAT'D BE A LITTLE DIFFERENT. IT'S PASSENGER VEHICLES SUV. THAT'S WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR. AND SO IF THAT WAS THE CASE, I'VE APPROVED ONE OF THESE VARIANCES IN EIGHT YEARS. 
          AND I'VE REGRETTED IT EVER SINCE BECAUSE I'M STILL TALKING ABOUT IT TODAY. SO IT'S THEY WERE ALL PASSENGER VEHICLES. THEY HAD A DRIVER'S LICENSE. THEY HAD A VIN NUMBER, THEY HAD A PLATE NUMBER. THEY HAD TWO ADULTS AND SIX CHILDREN OR TEENAGE CHILDREN LIVING IN THE HOUSE. AND I STILL HEAR ABOUT IT TO THIS DAY. PROBABLY ABOUT A MONTH AGO, I HEARD ABOUT IT. 
          SO WHAT HAS BEEN SOME OF THE ISSUES WITH THAT, OR JUST. WELL, I FINALLY PULLED THEIR WAIVER BECAUSE I ASKED FOR AN UPDATED INVENTORY OF THEIR VEHICLES AND THEY BROUGHT ME A LIST AND I JUST COMPARED APPLES TO ORANGES, VIN NUMBER TO VIN NUMBER, AND THEY DIDN'T MATCH. SO I SAID, HIT THE HIGHWAY. I THINK IT'S COOLED DOWN A LITTLE BIT, BUT IT'S A SITE THAT'S SEEN ALL THE TIME AND I RECEIVE CONSTANT COMPLAINTS ABOUT IT. IF YOU SAY THE STREET NAME, I'LL JUST PROBABLY PASS OUT RIGHT HERE IN FRONT OF YOU. OKAY. SO I'LL BE HAPPY TO UPDATE YOU ON THAT. 
          YES, I, I, ALL YOU GOT TO DO IS CALL ME. I CAN TELL YOU THE STREET NAME. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR MR. HARGRAVE? ALL RIGHT. I THINK YOU'VE GOTTEN DIRECTION FROM THE COUNCIL. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR PRESENTATION. THANK YOU. ITEM SEVEN RESOLUTION TO DISSOLVE THE FINANCIAL REVIEW CITIZEN COMMITTEE HAS BEEN PUT ON CONSENT. I'LL BE CONSENT ITEM NUMBER ONE. NEXT WE HAVE ITEM 8409 SIMMONS STREET PROPERTY ACQUISITION. AND THIS IS BEING PRESENTED BY OUR ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER, BARRY MOCK. THANK YOU MAYOR. GOOD EVENING. THIS ITEM IS FOR PROPERTY ACQUISITION. I DO WANT TO CLARIFY A MISTAKE THAT THAT IS ON THE AGENDA ITEM. 
          IT IS NOT. 4097 STREET. THAT WAS THE MAILING ADDRESS OF THIS PARCEL. THIS PARCEL HAS NO STREET NUMBER. IT'S IT'S KNOWN AS ZERO SIMMONS STREET. BUT WE DO HAVE THE RIGHT TAX ID PARCEL. 
          SO THAT WAS JUST A TYPO ON OUR END. I'LL BE HAPPY TO SHOW YOU GUYS A MAP, KIND OF GIVE YOU AN 
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IDEA OF WHERE THIS IS AT. THIS IS ORIENTED NORTH DEPOT AREA AT THE BOTTOM OF THE MAP. IT IS A SUBJECT PROPERTY HERE THAT'S IN THE BLUE ALONG THE COLLEGE CORRIDOR. AND THIS IS A LITTLE BIT MORE ZOOMED IN PICTURE OF WHERE IT'S AT. THE PARCELS IN ORANGE ARE PARCELS THAT THE CITY OR THE DDA OWN AND ARE CURRENTLY BEING HELD FOR REDEVELOPMENT OPPORTUNITIES. SO YOU CAN SEE HOW NICELY THIS PIECE OF PROPERTY CONNECTS SOME REMNANTS THAT WE HAVE AND CREATES AN OPPORTUNITY FOR REDEVELOPMENT IN THAT AREA. SO TONIGHT WE ARE WE DO HAVE THE CONTRACT THAT HAS BEEN REVIEWED AND UPDATED. I HAVE AN UPDATED COPY WITH ME TONIGHT. THERE WAS A LAST MINUTE CHANGES MADE BY OUR CITY ATTORNEY. HE IS IN SUPPORT OF THE CURRENT VERSION. 
          THE ONLY THING THAT'S CHANGED ARE SOME LEGAL AND TECHNICAL TERMS. IT'S STILL PURCHASING THE PROPERTY. IT'S THE SAME PRICE. IT'S CLOSING AT THE END OF THE MONTH. WE ALSO SECURED AN APPRAISAL THAT SUPPORTS THIS PURCHASE PRICE. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR PRESENTATION. WHO WOULD LIKE TO ASK OUR CITY ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER ANY QUESTIONS? OKAY. THE PROPERTY, DOES IT HAVE A STRUCTURE ON THERE? IT DOES NOT. OKAY. SO THERE WON'T BE ANY DEMO COSTS. 
          CORRECT. IT'S VACANT. OKAY, GOOD. ANYONE ELSE TO MY LEFT? NO. I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT THIS WAS PRESENTED PUBLICLY SINCE IT'S A LAND PURCHASE. OKAY. VERY GOOD. CAN WE PUT THIS ON CONSENT SINCE THIS LAND PURCHASE. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR PRESENTATION. SO WHAT'S THE PLEASURE OF THE COUNCIL CONSENT. OKAY. SO THIS WILL BE CONSENT ITEM NUMBER TWO ON OCTOBER 22ND 26. I MEAN, NUMBER NINE, LAWRENCEVILLE POLICE DEPARTMENT, EXXON COUNSEL PRESENTATION. THIS ITEM IS BEING PRESENTED BY CHIEF JOHN MULLEN. THANK YOU. OKAY. GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL. THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK THIS EVENING. AGAIN. CONGRATULATIONS, COUNCILMAN WARD. THANK YOU. SO THE PURPOSE OF TONIGHT'S PRESENTATION IS TO EDUCATE EVERYONE ON A PROPOSED TECHNOLOGY UPGRADE FOR THE POLICE DEPARTMENT AND TO ULTIMATELY REQUEST APPROVAL TO FUND THESE UPGRADES WHILE ALIGNING OUR EXISTING AXON CONTRACTS INTO ONE ANNUAL CONTRACT. AS YOU ALL KNOW, THE LAWRENCEVILLE POLICE DEPARTMENT, WE'RE COMMITTED TO TRANSPARENCY, ACCOUNTABILITY, BUILDING PUBLIC TRUST, ENHANCING OFFICER SAFETY, AND DOING OUR JOBS AS EFFICIENTLY AS WE CAN. THIS NEW CONTRACT WILL HELP US TO MAINTAIN AND ACHIEVE THESE OBJECTIVES, AND IT WILL REPLACE SIX CONTRACTS INTO ONE SINGLE FIVE YEAR AGREEMENT WITH ONE RENEWAL DATE. THIS WILL ULTIMATELY BE IN THE AMOUNT OF $835,000 ANNUALLY. HOWEVER, IT'S REALLY JUST AN INCREASE OF $252,000 A YEAR BECAUSE THESE ARE PART OF EXISTING PROGRAMS THAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE IN PLACE AND EXISTING INFRASTRUCTURE, WITH SEVERAL UPGRADES THAT I WILL EXPLAIN SHORTLY AS I GET INTO THE PRESENTATION. SOME OF THESE UPGRADES WILL INCLUDE DRONE FIRST RESPONDER PROGRAM, AGENCY WIDE AI ENHANCEMENTS, TEN INTERSECTION CITY CAMERAS FOR DIFFERENT INTERSECTIONS ON THE ROADWAYS, AND EVEN DRONE DETECTION COVERAGE ACROSS THE CITY FOR DIFFERENT TIMES WHEN WE NEED IT, SUCH AS LARGE PUBLIC EVENTS SUCH AS CHRIS KINDLE MARKET OR PRELUDE TO THE FOURTH. THESE NEW ENHANCEMENTS WILL INCLUDE SCHEDULED EQUIPMENT UPGRADES FOR OUR TASERS, BODY CAMERAS, IN-CAR VEHICLE CAMERAS, OUR TRAINING PROGRAM, AND THAT WILL GO THROUGH 2031. AND THIS WILL ALSO ENROLL IN OUR REAL TIME INFORMATION CENTER SOFTWARE THAT WE RECEIVED IN A GRANT PREVIOUSLY, WHICH IS SET TO EXPIRE IN EARLY 2028. SO THAT WILL ALSO ROLL INTO THIS CONTRACT, WHICH AT SOME POINT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO FINANCE THAT. SO THIS CONSOLIDATES ALL OF THAT. OKAY. SO THE AGENDA IS I'M GOING TO COVER WHERE WE STAND TODAY THE NEED FOR CHANGE, WHAT THE PROPOSED AGREEMENT IS, WHAT ARE THE NEW FEATURES AND THEN A TIMELINE. AND THEN JUST A FINAL RECAP. AGAIN, SIX CONTRACTS. WE HAVE OUR BODY 
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WORN CAMERA CONTRACT ON HERE. OUR TASER TEN, OUR VIRTUAL REALITY TRAINING PROGRAM, WHICH INCLUDES SOFTWARE FOR REAL LIFE SCENARIOS FOCUSING ON DE-ESCALATION AND DEPLOYMENT OF TASER, OUR FLEET, WHICH IS OUR IN-CAR CAMERAS, OUR INTERVIEW ROOMS, WHICH DETECTIVES UTILIZE FOR CRIMINAL INVESTIGATIONS. AND THEN OUR EFFUSUS PRO, WHICH IS PART OF, AGAIN, THE REAL TIME INFORMATION CENTER. WHAT WHAT CAN WE NOT DO TODAY ON THIS BASED ON THIS NEW PROPOSAL? WE DON'T HAVE A DRONE FIRST RESPONDER PROGRAM. WE'RE NOT TAKING ADVANTAGE OF AI ENHANCEMENTS THAT ARE AVAILABLE. THERE'S WE HAVE GAPS IN OUR CAMERA COVERAGE THROUGHOUT THE CITY, THROUGHOUT THE INTERSECTIONS. AND AGAIN, THESE CONTRACTS ARE SPLIT UP, ALL DUE TO RENEW AT DIFFERENT TIMES. WE ARE CURRENTLY PAYING $583,000 A YEAR FOR WHAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE. 
          THESE UPGRADES WILL BRING US TO $835,000 A YEAR. SO THAT'S A $252,000 A YEAR UPGRADE FOR THE NEW SERVICES THAT WE'RE ADDING IN. AND AGAIN, TO SUPPORT THE PROGRAMS THAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE THAT WE USE EVERY DAY AS A POLICE DEPARTMENT. SO WHAT WILL THIS DO? IT'LL CONSOLIDATE. 
          IT'LL EXPAND OUR SERVICES, AND IT'LL MODERNIZE US AS A POLICE DEPARTMENT AND HELP US TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THE TECHNOLOGY THAT'S OUT THERE TO BETTER SERVE THE CITIZENS. THE THE FIRST THING IS THE DRONE FIRST RESPONDER PROGRAM THROUGH SKYDIO. AND THIS IS A PARTNERSHIP WITH AXON. THIS WILL BE A THREE DOCK SYSTEM FOR DRONE FIRST RESPONDER COVERAGE THROUGH 911 CALLS. AND WE'LL ALSO INCLUDE THREE DRONES THAT COULD BE DEPLOYED FROM A PATROL VEHICLE. Y A DFR PROGRAM, AND DFR IS DRONE FIRST RESPONDER. NOW WHAT THIS IS, IT'S A RESPONSE TIME AND DE-ESCALATION PROGRAM THAT USES AN AERIAL CAMERA TO GIVE OFFICERS BETTER INFORMATION BEFORE THEY ARRIVE. AND THE MAJORITY OF CALLS THAT DRONE WILL GET ON SCENE FIRST, AND IT'LL BE ABLE TO RELAY INFORMATION TO OFFICERS BEFORE THEY EVEN GET ON SCENE. IT LAUNCHES FROM A FIXED LOCATION, WHICH IN THIS CASE WILL BE THE POLICE DEPARTMENT. WHEN IT RECEIVES ONE, WE RECEIVE 911 CALLS. IT DOES NOT PATROL RANDOMLY. THIS IS NOTHING MORE THAN A FIRST RESPONDER. THIS IS NO DIFFERENT THAN A POLICE CAR RESPONDING TO A SCENE. HOWEVER, IT'S AERIAL COVERAGE AND GIVES US OVERWATCH, BUT IT DOES NOT. I WANT TO STRESS THAT IT DOES NOT PATROL RANDOMLY. IT DOESN'T CONDUCT SURVEILLANCE. IT IS A FIRST RESPONDER. THAT'S WHY WE CALL IT DRONE FIRST RESPONDER. IT IS RESPONDING TO THAT SCENE NO DIFFERENT THAN A POLICE CAR WOULD RESPOND. IT'S GOING TO MAKE OUR COMMUNITY SAFER THROUGH FASTER, BETTER INFORMED. 
          EMERGENCY RESPONSE, REDUCES PURSUITS, LIMITS, DETENTIONS. IT WILL EVEN RESOLVE CALLS WITHOUT AN OFFICER EVEN GETTING TO THE SCENE. I'LL GIVE YOU A QUICK EXAMPLE. IF YOU HAVE MAYBE A CAR BROKEN DOWN ON 124 AND WE GET A CALL AND THE DRONE GETS THERE VERY QUICKLY BEFORE AN OFFICER CAN MAKE IT THERE, AND THEY SEE THAT THE CAR HAS NOW BEEN ABLE TO BE GET ON THEIR WAY OR BE REMOVED FROM THE ROADWAY. WE CAN NOW CANCEL THAT RESPONDING PATROL UNIT CREATES VIDEO ACCOUNTABILITY. WE ALL KNOW THAT WE HAVE BODY CAMERAS, IN-CAR CAMERAS IN OUR VEHICLES. THIS GIVES US ANOTHER PERSPECTIVE. NOW AN OVERVIEW OF THE ENTIRE SCENE PROVIDES OVERWATCH FOR RESPONDING OFFICERS AND EVENTS. SO, YOU KNOW, WHEN AN OFFICER PULLS A CAR OVER OR IS INVOLVED IN A TRAFFIC STOP OR ARRIVING ON SCENE, THEY DON'T HAVE THE FULL PERSPECTIVE OF EVERYTHING. THIS DRONE WILL HELP GIVE US THAT FULL PERSPECTIVE AND RELAY INFORMATION TO THOSE OFFICERS, SO THEY CAN MAKE BETTER DECISIONS IN REAL TIME. IT CAN EVEN BE USED IN SEARCH AND RESCUE OPERATIONS. THINK OF A MISSING CHILD IN A NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          THE DATA REVEALS SIGNIFICANTLY SHORTENED RESPONSE TIMES. WE DID A TEST WITH THIS PROGRAM WHERE WE WENT BACK MULTIPLE YEARS AND LOOKED AT 170,000 CALLS FOR SERVICE IN THE CITY OF LAWRENCEVILLE, AND WE INPUTTED THE DATA, AND WE FOUND THAT IN 97,000 OF THOSE CALLS, THE RESPONSE TIME WAS LESS THAN THREE MINUTES. OUR AVERAGE RESPONSE TIME NOW IS SIX MINUTES. SO WE ARE NEARLY CUTTING IT IN HALF FOR A SIGNIFICANT PORTION OF CALLS. 
          IT'S GOING TO INCREASE OFFICER EFFECTIVENESS THROUGH SITUATIONAL AWARENESS AND OFFICER SAFETY. AGAIN, I WANT TO STRESS IT'S NOT A SURVEILLANCE TOOL. IT'S REALLY ABOUT GETTING BETTER INFORMATION THROUGH OUR OFFICERS AS THEY ARRIVE TO A SCENE, AND THEY HAVE TO MAKE DECISIONS THAT COULD AFFECT SOMEBODY'S LIFE. SO THEY'RE GETTING THE MOST UP TO DATE, REAL TIME INFORMATION. MANY COMMUNITIES ARE EMBRACING DFR 
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AS A AS A TOOL TO REDUCE CRIME. AND WE'RE COMMITTED TO, TO USING THIS NEW CAPABILITY TO PROTECT THE COMMUNITY AND MAINTAIN AND PROTECT CIVIL LIBERTIES. OUR LAW ENFORCEMENT PARTNERS IN BROOKHAVEN HAVE A FULL SYSTEM, EIGHT DRONES. THEY PROVIDE COVERAGE 24 OVER SEVEN THROUGHOUT THE WHOLE ENTIRE CITY. AND IT'S REALLY A GREAT EXAMPLE OF A SUCCESS STORY OF THIS PROGRAM. MANY OTHER AGENCIES ARE GOING TO IT. OUR PARTNERS IN GWINNETT COUNTY POLICE ARE ALSO IMPLEMENTING A VERY SIMILAR PROGRAM. AND CHIEF, SORRY TO INTERRUPT, BUT I KNOW NORCROSS IS IMPLEMENTING AS WELL. THEY'VE. WHEN I TOOK A TOUR OF THEIR NEW HEADQUARTERS, POLICE HEADQUARTERS, THEY HAVE A A PAD READY FOR THE DRONES. YES, SIR. THANK YOU. WHAT ALSO COMES ALONG WITH THE DRONE FIRST RESPONDER IS A FEATURE THAT'S PART OF THE PACKAGE CALLED DRONE, WHICH IS A DRONE IDENTIFICATION. SO COMMERCIAL DRONES ARE BECOMING MORE AND MORE ACTIVE. AND YOU KNOW, WE'VE SEEN OVERSEAS IN THE WAR IN UKRAINE THAT THESE DRONES CAN BE USED FOR BY BAD ACTORS FOR BAD PURPOSES. THIS SYSTEM WILL ALLOW US TO IDENTIFY ANYONE THAT'S USING A DRONE AND IDENTIFY THEIR LOCATION. SO LET'S SAY IT'S PRELUDE TO THE FOURTH. WE GOT 10,000 PEOPLE ON THE LAWN AND WE SEE A DRONE FLYING AROUND. THAT'S NOT OURS. 
          IT COULD BE A PERSON JUST TRYING TO GET VIDEOS OF THE FIREWORKS, OR IT COULD BE SOMEONE THAT'S GOT BAD INTENTIONS. WE CAN IDENTIFY IT, FIND ITS LOCATION AND DISPATCH AN OFFICER TO ADDRESS THAT. WHAT ELSE IS NEW? SO WE HAVE THE AI. WE'RE IN THE AI ERA, AND I KNOW SOMETIMES AI CAN BE LOOKED AT AS A NEGATIVE WORD, BUT THESE ARE ENHANCEMENTS THAT WILL BE DEPLOYED, DEPLOYED FOR EVERY OFFICER THAT HAVE REALLY IMPORTANT FEATURES THAT I'M GOING TO TOUCH ON. SO AXON ASSISTANT, WHICH WILL GO THROUGH YOUR BODY CAMERA. IT'S A POLICY LOOKUP TOOL. SO I'M GOING TO STEAL MR. HARGRAVES EXAMPLE OF THE HYPOTHETICAL BIRTHDAY PARTY. YOU GET A CALL OUT THERE AS AN OFFICER AND THERE'S A QUESTION ABOUT PARKING, RIGHT? YOU CAN TAKE YOUR BODY CAMERA AND GO, WHAT'S THE CITY ORDINANCE ON PARKING INVOLVING A BIRTHDAY PARTY OR INVOLVING THIS SITUATION? AND IT'LL DICTATE IT TO YOU. 
          WHATEVER WE LOAD INTO THE SYSTEM, WE CAN USE AS A REFERENCE, LET'S SAY THE LAW, LIKE OCGA OR ANY OF OUR CITY ORDINANCES. YOU'RE ON A CALL, SOMEONE HAS A QUESTION OR YOU NEED CLARIFICATION ON A LAW. YOU CAN ASK YOUR BODY CAMERA AND YOU CAN GET THAT INFORMATION IMMEDIATELY. VERY EFFICIENT. SAVES YOU FROM HAVING TO GO BACK TO YOUR CAR. 
          SAVES YOU FROM HAVING TO MAKE A PHONE CALL. ADDITIONALLY, THE MOST IMPORTANT FEATURE IS IT TRANSLATES 55 LANGUAGES. SO YOU GO ON A CALL, THERE'S A LANGUAGE BARRIER, THAT BODY CAMERA, YOU CAN HAVE A FULL CONVERSATION THROUGH THAT BODY CAMERA WITH THE PEOPLE THAT ARE INVOLVED IN THE CALL. OUR OFFICERS ARE CURRENTLY USING THIS NOW AS DURING A TEST PERIOD, AND THEY'VE HAD GREAT SUCCESS WITH IT. AND I THINK THEY WOULD BE VERY DISAPPOINTED IF WE IF WE DIDN'T KEEP KEEP IT GOING BECAUSE THEY'VE SEEN HOW VALUABLE IT IS. AND IT'S ALSO A SAVINGS BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE LANGUAGE LINE, WHICH CAN BE EXPENSIVE AND ALSO TIME CONSUMING. SO REALLY IMPROVES OUR EFFICIENCIES. AND THEN THERE'S DRAFT ONE, WHICH THIS IS WHERE YOU'RE ON SCENE WITH YOUR BODY CAMERA AND IT'S, IT'S LISTENING TO YOUR CONVERSATION BECAUSE EVERYTHING'S BEING RECORDED. WELL, YOU RETURN TO YOUR VEHICLE AND YOUR REPORT IS ALREADY WRITTEN FOR YOU BASED ON THE DIALOG THAT TOOK PLACE THAT THAT BODY CAMERA PICKED UP. WE HAVE FOUND THROUGH OUR TESTS THAT THIS SAVES APPROXIMATELY 22 MINUTES PER CALL FOR THE OFFICER FOR THE AMOUNT OF TIME THAT THEY WOULD WRITE THAT POLICE REPORT. AND I KNOW YOU'RE WONDERING, OKAY, IT POPULATES AUTOMATICALLY. HOW DO WE KNOW THAT REPORT IS ACCURATE? WELL, THERE ARE THINGS THAT ARE PLUGGED INTO THE REPORT THAT THE OFFICER HAS TO FIND BEFORE HE CAN APPROVE THAT REPORT. THINGS THAT HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH THE CASE. THEY'RE SENTENCES THAT ARE ADDED IN THERE. SO THAT WAY WE GUARANTEE THE OFFICERS GOING THROUGH REVIEWING THAT REPORT, MAKING SURE IT IS COMPLETELY ACCURATE. 
          HE CAN MAKE ANY HE OR SHE CAN MAKE ANY ADJUSTMENTS THEY NEED TO MAKE. THEN IT CAN GET APPROVED AND THEN A SUPERVISOR STILL HAS TO REVIEW IT. SO EVEN THOUGH WE SAY IT'S AI, IT STILL HAS A HUMAN COMPONENT TO IT AS PART OF THAT REVIEW PROCESS. AND THEN TRANSCRIPTION. SO WE HAVE OUR, I MENTIONED OUR INTERVIEW ROOMS AT THE POLICE DEPARTMENT WHERE WE DO CRIMINAL INTERVIEW OR CRIMINAL INVESTIGATIONS. SOMETIMES WE HAVE VERY LENGTHY INTERVIEWS IN THERE COULD BE AN HOUR OR TWO HOURS, AND IT'S VERY HELPFUL TO BE ABLE TO PRESS THE BUTTON AND GET A TRANSCRIPT THAT YOU CAN NOW PROVIDE TO THE DA'S OFFICE, OR SIT DOWN AND GO THROUGH AND REVIEW AS PART OF YOUR INVESTIGATION. AND THEN ADDITIONALLY, ANOTHER TOOL THAT COMES WITH THIS UPGRADE IS AXON PREPARED 911, WHICH IS GOING TO ASSIST OUR TEAM IN THE 911 CENTER WITH CALL HANDLING. ESSENTIALLY, A CALL COMES INTO THE 911 CENTER THAT DISPATCHER CAN FOCUS ON THE CALLER. THESE SOMETIMES ARE VERY HIGH STRESS, COMPLICATED EMOTIONAL PHONE CALLS, AND THIS ALLOWS THE DISPATCHER TO FOCUS ON THAT CALL WHILE THE INFORMATION IS 
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AUTOMATICALLY INPUTTED, RELAYED TO THE OFFICERS IN THE FIELD, AND IT POPULATES ON THEIR COMPUTER, AND IT LETS THE DISPATCHER FOCUS ON DOING THE JOB THEY NEED TO DO. IT JUST HELPS US TO BE MORE EFFICIENT IN THE 901 CENTER. THIS PROGRAM WILL ALSO INCLUDE TEN FIXED WHAT WE CALL LIGHT POST CAMERAS TO BE PUT STRATEGICALLY AT DIFFERENT INTERSECTIONS THAT ARE NOT CURRENTLY COVERED IN THE CITY. WE HAVE, AS YOU ALL HAVE SEEN IN OUR REAL TIME INFORMATION CENTER, WE HAVE A VERY ROBUST CAMERA NETWORK THAT IS THROUGH CITY CAMERAS AND THROUGH TRAFFIC CAMERAS THAT ALLOWS US TO PROVIDE REAL TIME INFORMATION TO OFFICERS AS WELL. 
          AND WE HAVE IDENTIFIED SOME GAPS, SOME INTERSECTIONS THAT DON'T HAVE CAMERAS. WE HAVE FOUND THESE TO BE INCREDIBLY HELPFUL, ESPECIALLY IN THE AREA OF TRAFFIC ACCIDENT INVESTIGATION AND EVEN INVOLVING INCIDENTS INVOLVING OUR OWN OFFICERS. I BELIEVE I'VE SHARED A STORY WITH YOU ABOUT ONE OF OUR OFFICERS WHO, ONE MORNING AT 5 A.M. HE WAS DRIVING DOWN CROGAN STREET AND AN INDIVIDUAL RAN A RED LIGHT AND T-BONED HIS PATROL CAR. HE SUSTAINED A BROKEN NECK. OTHER INJURIES, CONCUSSION. THE VEHICLE WAS TOTALED, AND THAT MOTORIST CLAIMED THE OFFICER HAD RAN A RED LIGHT. SO WE WERE THANKFULLY ABLE TO PULL UP A CAMERA IN THAT INTERSECTION AND SEE THAT IN FACT, IT WAS THE OTHER WAY AROUND BECAUSE THE OFFICER GOT HIT SO HARD HE DIDN'T REMEMBER WHAT HAPPENED. SO I TELL EVERYBODY THAT ONE INCIDENT HAS SAVED THE CITY SO MUCH MONEY AND PAID FOR THIS SYSTEM, FOR THE FUCHSIA SYSTEM, JUST BY, BY US BEING ABLE TO ACCURATELY SEE WHAT HAPPENED. WE GET CAR ACCIDENTS ALL THE TIME WHERE OFFICERS RESPOND AND THERE'S DISPUTES. PEOPLE SAYING, NO, THEY TURN IN FRONT OF ME OR THEY RAN THE RED LIGHT. I DIDN'T RUN THE RED LIGHT. THIS, THIS SYSTEM, THESE CAMERAS HAVE ENABLED US TO CLEAR UP SO MANY ACCIDENTS TO WHERE WE CAN EVEN RADIO TO THE OFFICER BEFORE THEY EVEN GET TO THE SCENE. HEY, THE RED CAR IS AT FAULT. WE JUST WATCHED IT AND THAT HAS PROVIDED TREMENDOUS CUSTOMER SERVICE FOR THE PUBLIC. I MENTIONED FUCHSIAS, THAT'S OUR SOFTWARE FOR OUR REAL TIME INFORMATION CENTER. IT IS DUE TO EXPIRE IN 2028. SO BY ROLLING THIS INTO THE CONTRACT, THERE IS NO LAPSE IN SERVICE. IT IT ROLLS IN IMMEDIATELY AND IT ROLLS IN AT THE LAPSE OR THE EXPIRATION, WE'LL BE ABLE TO CONTINUE WITH THIS VALUABLE SERVICE. AND AS I MENTIONED, WE'VE HAD A LOT OF SUCCESS STORIES, ONE OF WHICH I'VE SHARED WITH YOU. SO WE HAVE THE TIMELINE HERE FOR WHEN WE RECEIVE THE EQUIPMENT IN NOVEMBER. THE NEW CONTRACT BEGINS IN DECEMBER, AND THEN INSTALLATION STARTS AFTER THAT. 
          AND THEN YOU SEE FROM 2028 TO 2031, ANY NECESSARY UPGRADES WILL BE INCLUDED IN THIS PACKAGE. SO JUST A HIGH LEVEL SUMMARY. WE'RE GOING TO CLEAN UP OUR EXISTING CONTRACTS BY CONSOLIDATING THEM INTO ONE AGREEMENT. WE'RE GOING TO ADD SIGNIFICANT CAPABILITIES THAT I COVERED IN THIS PRESENTATION. WE'RE GOING TO IMPLEMENT A DRONE FIRST RESPONDER PROGRAM. 
          AND WE'RE GOING TO GUARANTEE A FIXED COST FOR THE NEXT FIVE YEARS, WHICH INCLUDES SIGNIFICANT DISCOUNTS. I CAN TELL YOU WORKING WITH AXON ON THIS CONTRACT, WE'RE GOING TO SEE, BECAUSE WE'RE LUMPING THESE TOGETHER AND WE'RE STAYING WITH THE SAME VENDOR, WE'RE GOING TO SEE APPROXIMATELY $1 MILLION A YEAR IN COST SAVINGS BY DOING IT THIS WAY. IF WE WERE TO PIECEMEAL ALL THIS OUT WITH DIFFERENT COMPANIES, IT WOULD BE SIGNIFICANTLY MORE MONEY. SO BEFORE I TAKE ANY QUESTIONS, I DO HAVE DAMIEN CRUZ. HE'S OUR REAL TIME INFORMATION CENTER MANAGER HERE, AND WE HAVE REPRESENTATIVES FROM AXON AND SKYDIO. IF YOU HAVE ANY TECHNICAL QUESTIONS THAT I CAN'T ANSWER OR ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, IF I CAN'T ANSWER, I'LL CERTAINLY GET BACK TO YOU. BUT WITH THAT, I'M HAPPY TO TAKE ANY QUESTIONS. OKAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR PRESENTATION. IT'S VERY THOROUGH. WHO WOULD LIKE TO ASK THE CHIEF ANY QUESTIONS? I HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS. OKAY. 
          THANK YOU, CHIEF, FOR YOUR PRESENTATION. I JUST HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS. ONE IS, CAN YOU DISCUSS HOW THE CURRENT DRONE PROGRAM IS GOING TO FIT IN WITH WITH THIS PARTICULAR SOFTWARE EQUIPMENT? SO CURRENTLY WE HAVE DAMIEN. WE HAVE THREE DRONES, RIGHT? ALL RIGHT. WE HAVE TWO DRONES THAT WE CAN UTILIZE ON PATROL. THEY ARE NOT DRONE FIRST RESPONDERS. 
          THOSE ARE INCIDENT BASED. SO IF WE GET LET'S SAY WE GET A MISSING PERSON, WE CAN ARRIVE TO THAT SCENE AND PUT UP THAT DRONE AND UTILIZE IT AS A TOOL TO HELP FIND THAT CHILD OR MISSING PERSON. THEY'RE NOT AUTOMATICALLY RESPONDING TO A 911 CALL THE WAY THIS PROGRAM WILL WORK. SO THIS IS THIS IS AGAIN, A FIRST RESPONDER, BUT THOSE DRONES ARE TOOLS THAT WE CAN WE GET TO A SCENE THAT WE CAN STILL USE. AND THERE IS, DO THEY NOT? DO YOU WANT TO JUST KIND OF ELABORATE ON. YES, MA'AM. SO THE DRONE SENSE WILL ALSO COME AS PART OF THIS PACKAGE. AND SO WHAT THAT IS, IS A CAPABILITY TO INCORPORATE THAT WITH OUR EXISTING DRONES. 
          SO THEY WILL COMMUNICATE WITH THIS PLATFORM SO THAT IF THE DRONE IS UP AND FLYING, WE WILL HAVE VISIBILITY. ANYONE WHO IS NOT AT SCENE CAN STILL VIEW IT. CURRENTLY, WE DON'T HAVE THE INTEGRATION POSSIBILITY. WE CAN JUST HAVE THE PERSON CONTROLLING THE DRONE CAN SEE 
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WHAT'S GOING ON, AND THEN THE DRONE CAN FLY ON SCENE. THIS WILL ACTUALLY INTEGRATE IT INTO FUZES THAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE. OKAY, OKAY. THANK YOU, THANK YOU. AND IF THIS WAS APPROVED, WHAT, WHAT KIND OF TIME FRAME FOR IMPLEMENTATION? BECAUSE WHAT I'M HEARING IS YOU HAVE SOME OF THESE PROGRAMS ALREADY, BUT THERE'S AN ENHANCEMENT FEATURE. THAT'S CORRECT. OKAY. 
          SO THE DRONE FIRST RESPONDER PROGRAM, WE WOULD START RECEIVING HARDWARE IN NOVEMBER. 
          I EXPECT IT TO BE UP AND RUNNING AND PEOPLE FULLY TRAINED ON IT, PROBABLY BY JANUARY OF 27, ROUGHLY. AND THEN ONE LAST QUESTION IN THIS CONTRACT, IS THERE A TERMINATION CLAUSE OR IS THIS JUST UNDER THE PURCHASING IMPLEMENT? UNDER THE PROCUREMENT POLICY THERE IS A TERMINATION CLAUSE INVOLVED IN THAT. YES, MA'AM. I'M NOT EXACTLY SURE HOW IT WORKS, BUT I KNOW THERE IS ONE. I HAVE CONFIRMED THAT THAT IS IN THE CONTRACT. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? OKAY. IF YOU COULD. HE ASKED. ACTUALLY, HE RAISED HIS HAND FIRST. YES. I JUST WANTED TO ASK, AS FAR AS THE THE DRONES THAT ARE BEING USED AS FIRST RESPONDERS, IS THERE ANY WAY THAT THOSE DRONES CAN SET PRECEDENT ON, YOU KNOW, WHICH EMERGENCY MAY BE MORE URGENT THAN THE OTHER? OR IS THAT SOMETHING THAT, YOU KNOW, COULD TAKE PLACE FROM THE POLICE DEPARTMENT BEFORE THE DRONE IS, YOU KNOW, IS DISPATCHED? THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION. SO THESE DRONES WILL BE DISPATCHED AUTOMATICALLY. 
          BUT WE DO HAVE A PILOT THAT HAS A LICENSE TO OPERATE IT IN OUR REAL TIME INFORMATION CENTER THAT WILL TAKE CONTROL OF THAT DRONE WHEN IT GETS TO THE SCENE. SO IT WOULD RESPOND AUTONOMOUSLY, IT WOULD GET THERE, WE WOULD TAKE CONTROL OF IT IF SOMETHING MORE PRESSING CAME UP AND WE ONLY HAD ONE DRONE UP IN THE AIR, THAT PILOT COULD COMMANDEER THAT AND DIRECT IT TO THE OTHER CALL. OKAY, SO SOME OF THERE IS ALWAYS A HUMAN COMPONENT TO THIS. I'M GLAD YOU ASKED THAT, BECAUSE A LOT OF PEOPLE THINK IT'S JUST GOING TO THE CALL AND THERE'S NO OVERSIGHT. THERE'S ALWAYS A HUMAN COMPONENT TO THE DRONE FIRST RESPONDER. AND EVERYTHING IS BASED ON A 911 CALL OR A CALL THAT WE CREATE AT THE POLICE DEPARTMENT IN ORDER FOR IT TO RESPOND. SO THERE IS A RECORD, THERE WILL BE A TRANSPARENCY PAGE ON OUR WEBSITE THAT WILL COME WITH THIS, THAT WILL DISPLAY EVERY FLIGHT THAT WE TAKE AS A POLICE DEPARTMENT AND ALL THE DATA THAT COMES WITH IT. HOW LONG DID IT TAKE TO GET TO THE CALL? WHAT WAS THE NATURE OF THE CALL? ALL THOSE THINGS WILL BE CAPTURED, BUT I APPRECIATE YOU ASKING THAT. THAT WAS A GREAT QUESTION. THANK YOU. THAT WAS MY ONLY QUESTION. OKAY, THANKS. 
          I JUST HAVE A COUPLE QUESTIONS AS WELL, CHIEF. YEAH, A LOT OF THESE THINGS LOOK REALLY COOL, AND IT SOUNDS LIKE IT'S GOING TO MAKE OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT EVEN BETTER AND MORE EFFECTIVE AS FAR AS THE NUMBERS GO, THOUGH. SO WE'RE GOING TO BE SPENDING $252,000 MORE A YEAR THAN WE'RE PAYING RIGHT NOW. CORRECT. BUT WE'RE GETTING SOME MORE STUFF CORRECT. WE'RE GETTING THE THE DRONE FIRST RESPONDER. WE'RE GETTING THE DRAFT ONE, WE'RE GETTING THE LIGHT POST. WE'RE GETTING THE AXON PREPARED 911. IS THAT TRUE? RIGHT. AND AND THE DRONE OR THE DRONE. YES, SIR. DO WE PRICE THOSE AS A DIFFERENT PACKAGE? LIKE INSTEAD OF ADDING 252 TO THE THIS FIVE YEAR CONTRACT? I KNOW YOU SAID WE'RE GOING TO SAVE $1 MILLION, BUT WE'RE ACTUALLY SPENDING 1.25 MILLION THAN WE HAD PLANNED BECAUSE OF THE 252 OR SO WE'RE SPENDING PER YEAR OVER FIVE YEARS. SO DID YOU PRICE IT AT ALL TO SEE IF WE'RE. ARE WE SAVING MONEY DOING IT THIS WAY? WE WANT THESE THINGS, BUT COULD WE HAVE GOTTEN CHEAPER JUST BUYING THEM OFF THE SHELF WITHOUT TYING ALL THESE CONTRACTS TOGETHER INTO ONE? WE ARE ABSOLUTELY SAVING MONEY. IF WE WERE TO PIECEMEAL THIS SEPARATELY, THE COST WOULD BE SIGNIFICANTLY HIGHER. SOME OF THESE PRODUCTS WE ALREADY HAVE, AND THEY'RE JUST IT'S GOING TO BRING THEM ALL TOGETHER. SO WE HAVE A START AND FINISH DATE AT THE SAME TIME. BUT AND I MAYBE AXON ONE OF. EMMA, YOU WANT TO SPEAK TO THAT. SHE'S OUR, OUR SALES ENGINEER. IF YOU WANT TO KIND OF SPEAK TO THE CONTRACT SOME OR DREW. YEAH, I'LL TAKE THAT ONE. ULTIMATELY, LIKE CHIEF HAD MENTIONED, YOU GUYS HAVE SIX CONTRACTS CURRENTLY. WE'VE GOT INHERENT DISCOUNTS THAT ARE BUILT IN. WHEN YOU CONSOLIDATE EVERYTHING INTO ONE ROUGHLY, IT'S ABOUT A 50% DISCOUNT WITH THIS OVERALL, WE'RE ALSO HAVE THE SKYDIO COMPONENT TO THAT AS WELL. SO IF WE WERE TO BREAK THAT OUT, THAT'S WHERE WHEN CHIEF MENTIONED THE SAVINGS OF OVER $1 MILLION, THAT'S WHERE WE GET THAT COST SAVINGS FROM, IS IF WE'RE DOING INDIVIDUAL PURCHASES ON EACH OF THESE PROGRAMS. SO SPENDING 1.25, BUT WE'RE SAVING A MILLION. SO WE'RE REALLY SPENDING MORE LIKE ONE YEAR'S WORTH ON ALL THIS STUFF OVER FIVE YEARS. IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE KIND OF TELLING ME HERE? YEP. OKAY. AND JUST TO ADD TO BY US DOING THIS NOW AND NOT WAITING UNTIL ALL THESE CONTRACTS EXPIRE, THERE'S GOING TO BE SAVINGS THERE TOO, BECAUSE AS TIME GOES ON, THESE PRODUCTS ARE GOING TO GO UP AND COST. SO THE OTHER QUESTION I HAD, AND OF COURSE, YOU KNOW, SURVEILLANCE IS A VERY IMPORTANT CONCERN IN THE PUBLIC NOW. SO THE LIGHT POSTS AND OUTPOST CAMERAS, HOW ARE THEY DIFFERENT FROM THE OTHER CAMERAS THAT WE'VE BEEN TALKING 
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ABOUT SO MUCH LATELY? SO, OKAY, SO YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT ALPR LICENSE PLATE READERS. WE'RE ONLY GOING TO USE UTILIZE THESE CAMERAS AS VIDEO CAMERAS. SO WE CAN, WE CAN PULL IT UP LIVE AND SEE WHAT'S HAPPENING IN THAT INTERSECTION AS WE DO NOW WITH MANY OF OUR OTHER CAMERAS. AND THEN IT ALSO WILL RECORD. SO IF WE HAVE AN ACCIDENT, WE CAN GO BACK AND LOOK AT WHAT OCCURRED IN THAT INTERSECTION. SO WE ARE NOT USING THOSE CAMERAS FOR A LICENSE PLATE READER IN ANY WAY. 
          THESE CAMERAS, THEY'RE GOING TO BE FIXED ON EXISTING POLES THAT ARE IN THE CITY, AND THEY'RE GOING TO BE AT A HEIGHT THAT THAT WOULDN'T WORK ANYWAY, EVEN IF THEY THEY HAD THAT CAPABILITY, THEY MAY EVEN HAVE THAT CAPABILITY WHERE YOU COULD TURN IT ON. BUT THAT'S NOT SOMETHING WE COULD USE AT THE HEIGHT THEY'RE GOING TO BE AT. AND THAT'S HAS NO, WE HAVE NO INTENTION OF USING THOSE CAMERAS IN ANY WAY IS A LICENSE PLATE READER. IT'S SIMPLY THE SAME WAY THAT WE'RE UTILIZING OUR EXISTING CAMERA NETWORK. NOW WE'RE JUST GETTING TEN MORE TO FILL IN THE BLANKS. YEAH, TEN MORE TO FILL IN DIFFERENT BLANKS THROUGHOUT THE CITY. AND, AND DAMIAN'S IDENTIFIED THOSE LOCATIONS. HE PROBABLY DON'T HAVE THE LIST WITH HIM NOW, BUT WE HAVE LOOKED AT IT TO SEE WHERE DO WE HAVE HOLES IN OUR COVERAGE. AND AS FAR AS THE CONTRACT GOES, YOU SAID THERE'S AN OUT WE WE HAVE WE'RE NOT SIGNING A FIVE YEAR DEAL. OR ARE WE? WE'RE SIGNING A FIVE YEAR OR ARE WE SIGNING A SERIES OF ONE YEAR DEALS FOR FIVE YEARS? DO YOU KNOW DREW YOU WANT TO COMMENT ON THAT AGAIN? YEAH. THANK YOU FOR THE QUESTION. SO WITHIN THE GEORGIA STATUTE IT IS TECHNICALLY A ONE YEAR WITH AN AUTO RENEW CLAUSE. 
          THERE IS ALSO NOT APPROPRIATIONS WITHIN OUR CONTRACT TERMS AS WELL THAT WE'VE WORKED OUT WITH THE WITH THE CITY ATTORNEY. AND SO TO YOUR POINT, YES, IT IS A ONE YEAR WITH AN AUTO RENEW BASED ON THE STATUTES OF GEORGIA. AND IF FOR SOME REASON WE DECIDE WE DON'T WANT ANY MORE CAMERAS IN OUR CITY, WE CAN JUST END IT AFTER ONE YEAR AFTER THE FISCAL PERIOD BASED ON GEORGIA LAW. CORRECT. AND WITH NON APPROPRIATIONS, IF THE CITY DOES NOT FUND THE PROGRAM. OKAY. THANK YOU, THANK YOU. OKAY. THANKS, CHIEF. OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? I DON'T REALLY HAVE A QUESTION. JUST MORE OF A COMMENT JUST TO SAY THANK YOU FOR THE PRESENTATION. THANK YOU FOR BEING FORWARD THINKING TO ENSURE THAT YOUR OFFICERS HAVE THE EQUIPMENT AND THE TOOLS NECESSARY TO ENSURE THEIR SAFETY, AS WELL AS THE SAFETY OF THE PUBLIC. WOULD IT BE FAIR TO SAY THAT THE BODY WORN CAMERAS HAVE REDUCED OR HELPED RESOLVE CITIZENS COMPLAINTS? OH, 100%, 100. I MEAN, WE GET VERY FEW COMPLAINTS. AND, YOU KNOW, THE OFFICERS KNOW THEY'RE ON CAMERA. I MEAN, WE WE PRIDE OURSELVES IN DOING A PROFESSIONAL JOB AND DOING AND DOING THE RIGHT THING. BUT IT'S ALSO AN ACCOUNTABILITY TOOL. WE GET VERY FEW COMPLAINTS. AND THE COMPLAINTS THAT WE DO HAVE ARE TYPICALLY RESOLVED IN THE OFFICER'S FAVOR. WHEN WE GO BACK AND REVIEW THE BODY CAMERA FOOTAGE. AND A LOT OF TIMES IT'S JUST PERCEPTION. PEOPLE IN THAT MOMENT, IT'S, YOU KNOW, A DIFFICULT SITUATION OR A HIGH STRESS SITUATION. THEY MAY PERCEIVE THINGS DIFFERENTLY THAN THEY HAPPEN. AND THEN WE GO BACK AND LOOK AT THAT BODY CAMERA AND WE'RE ABLE TO SEE, YOU KNOW, IT DIDN'T ACTUALLY QUITE HAPPEN THAT WAY. WE WILL OFFER THE CITIZEN TO COME IN AND REVIEW THOSE VIDEOS WITH US. 
          AND OFTENTIMES THEY WILL DO THAT AND IT HELPS RESOLVE RESOLVE THE SITUATION. BUT IT IS A GREAT TOOL FOR LAW ENFORCEMENT. YES, SIR. AND I APPRECIATE YOUR COMMENTS. AND THE TASER HELP REDUCE THE NUMBER OF USE OF FORCES OR. ABSOLUTELY. SO THE DISPLAY OF A TASER RESOLVES A LOT OF A LOT OF SITUATIONS. AND THE STATISTICS AND THE DATA SHOWS IT REDUCES INJURIES NOT ONLY TO OFFICERS BUT TO PEOPLE THAT YOU'RE INVOLVED WITH. IT REDUCES OFFICER INVOLVED SHOOTINGS. WE HAD A CASE ABOUT TWO YEARS AGO, A DOMESTIC CASE WHERE AN OFFICER WENT IN AND THERE WAS AN INDIVIDUAL ARMED WITH A LARGE KNIFE, AND HE TOLD THE OFFICER HE WAS GOING TO CHARGE HIM, AND HE PULLED OUT THE TASER. THE TASER WAS EFFECTIVE. THE INDIVIDUAL FELL OVER. WE WERE ABLE TO MOVE IN AND HANDCUFF HIM. THAT COULD HAVE VERY EASILY BEEN A DEADLY FORCE SITUATION, AND THAT TASER PREVENTED THAT. SO YEAH, THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR WHAT YOU'RE DOING. YEAH. APPRECIATE IT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR OKAY. THANK YOU. SO WHAT'S THE PLEASURE OF THE COUNCIL. WE WANT TO PUT THIS ON CONSENT. I'M FINE WITH THAT. OKAY. CONSENT. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. SO THIS WILL BE CONSENT ITEM NUMBER THREE OR OCTOBER 26TH MEETING. NEXT WE'LL GO TO OUR LAST ON THE AGENDA ITEM TEN, LAWRENCEVILLE ARTS COMMISSION PUBLIC ART PROJECT, THE DTL LETTER INSTALLATION. WE KNOW YOU ALL WANTED TO SAVE THE BEST FOR LAST. SO THANK YOU SO MUCH. I'M GOING TO PULL UP. SORRY. 
          YEP. THANK YOU. GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL. THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING US TO SHARE TODAY ABOUT THE DTL INTERACTIVE PROPOSAL THAT WE HAVE HERE FOR THE DTL LETTERS HAVE ARTISTS WHO ARE HERE WITH ME WHO MAY ROTMAN AS WELL, WHO IS DESIGNING THESE LETTERS WITH US. 
          THE ARTS COMMISSION HAS BEEN WORKING HARD FOR THE LAST SEVERAL MONTHS ON CREATING 
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THINGS THAT CONTINUE TO DRIVE ART FORWARD, AND THIS INTERACTIVE SCULPTURE WILL BE HOSTED AT THE LAWN. SO JUST REALLY QUICKLY, SHE'S GOING TO GO THROUGH THE PRESENTATION THAT WE HAVE HERE THAT'S GOING TO SHARE WITH YOU JUST HOW WE ARRIVE TO THE COLOR SCHEME, HOW WE GOT TO THE ACTUAL SIZING OF THE THE LETTERS AS WELL. AND THEN WE HAVE SOME RENDERINGS HERE THAT YOU ALL CAN SEE IN REAL IN, IN HOLD AND FEEL FEEL BASED ON HER PROPOSAL TO US. SO HELLO EVERYONE. I'M LONNIE. THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME TONIGHT. SO THIS SCULPTURE WE'RE PROPOSING IS FOR DTL. IT IS FOR DOWNTOWN LAWRENCEVILLE THAT WILL GO IN THE GREAT LAWN. 
          THESE SCULPTURES, THE COLORS ARE BASED OFF THE BRANDING FROM YOUR CITY. JASMINE SHARED A BRANDING PORTFOLIO WITH ME AND THAT'S HOW I CHOSE THE FONT, THE COLORS. AND THEN WE ALSO ADDED AN ADDITIONAL LAYER THAT HAS A SENSORY LAYER TO THESE LETTERS. SO THERE'S SUPPORTING LOGOS WITHIN YOUR BRANDING. AND I TIED THAT IN TO THE SCULPTURES. AND SO IT'S ALSO AVAILABLE FOR OTHER PEOPLE WHO CAN'T VISUALLY SEE OR PEOPLE THAT ARE IMPAIRED THAT CAN HAVE AN ADDITIONAL LAYER TO THESE SCULPTURES. LET'S SEE THE DIMENSIONS. THESE LETTERS ARE GOING TO BE ABOUT SEVEN FEET TALL. THEY'LL BE 3.5FT LONG AND ABOUT 2 TO 3FT DEEP. SO THEY'LL BE REALLY INTERACTIVE WITH THE D. PEOPLE CAN WALK THROUGH IT. EACH LETTER SPACING WILL BE SO A WHEELCHAIR OR A STROLLER CAN GO THROUGH EVERY SCULPTURE. AND THEN THE L PEOPLE CAN SIT ON. 
          SO THEY'RE ABOUT LIKE PHOTO OPPORTUNITIES. AND JUST TO INVITE PEOPLE TO HAVE A REALLY FUN SCULPTURE WHEN THEY ENTER YOUR GUYS'S LAWN, THE MAINTENANCE AND UPKEEP OF THESE SCULPTURES IS GOING TO BE PRETTY EASY. IT'S JUST GOING TO BE LIKE A PRESSURE WASHING OR CLEANING ONCE A YEAR OR QUARTERLY WITH THE STEEL THAT I'LL BE USING, IT WILL HAVE A POWDER COATED FINISH THAT WILL LAST UP TO 20 TO 30 YEARS IF IT'S JUST PROPERLY CLEANED OVER TIME. THIS IS AN EXAMPLE OF A SCULPTURE THAT I MADE FOR THE CITY OF DUNWOODY. IT IS THEIR LOGO THAT I CREATED, AND THIS IS THE WHAT INSPIRED US TO CREATE THESE LETTERS FOR YOU GUYS. THIS LETTER IS ABOUT FIVE FEET TALL, FIVE FEET WIDE. IT'S THREE FEET DEEP. IT'S ALL. ALL OF MY SCULPTURES ARE ADA COMPLIANT SO ANYONE CAN INTERACT WITH IT. SO BETWEEN THE LEAVES AND THE LETTERS, THERE'S ROOM FOR STROLLERS AND WHEELCHAIRS. SO THIS IS ALSO LIKE A PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT. AND SO IT'S REALLY JUST TO HAVE PEOPLE GET INVOLVED WITH YOUR CITY AND YOUR BRANDING, SO THEY CAN TAKE A PHOTO AND REALLY KNOW WHERE THEY ARE AND HAVE AN EXCITING PLACE TO TAKE PHOTOS AND INTERACT WITH IT. SO I WORK WITH STRUCTURAL ENGINEERS FOR ALL OF MY SCULPTURES. SO WITH THE DESIGN AND BUILD OF THIS SCULPTURE, I DESIGNED IT AND THEN HAD AN ENGINEER FINALIZE MY DESIGNS. SO BEFORE I BUILD ANYTHING, I DO HAVE STRUCTURAL ENGINEERING PLANS AND I ALSO DO THE PLANNING FOR ALL THE INSTALLATIONS. SO THIS IS THE PROPOSED LOCATION FOR THE SCULPTURE. IT'S GOING TO BE RIGHT ON THE ENTRANCE OF THE GREAT LAWN WHEN YOU WALK INTO IT. AND IT WILL HAVE A CEMENT SLAB THAT THE SCULPTURES WILL BE ON. IT WILL TAKE TWO DIFFERENT INSTALLATIONS BECAUSE OF ALL THE HARDWARE WILL BE HIDDEN UNDERNEATH THE CEMENT. SO THAT ALSO JUST ALLOWS NO TRIPPING HAZARDS. AND IT JUST LEAVES LIKE A REALLY NICE CLEAN FINISH TO THE SCULPTURE. YOU GUYS HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR DID I MISS ANYTHING THAT WAS PERFECT? AND THEN ONE THING I ALSO WANTED TO SHARE WHILE YOU WANT TO. OH YES. OKAY, SO I ALSO MAKE MOCKUPS OF ALL OF MY SCULPTURES AND JUST LITTLE SAMPLES, BUT THIS IS SO YOU GUYS CAN FEEL THE SENSORY OF THE SCULPTURE. SO THIS WILL BE LIKE WELDED DIRECTLY ON AND IT'LL TELL THEM THE LETTER THAT THEY'RE TOUCHING. YES. AND IT ALSO LIKE REPRESENTS YOUR GUYS'S RATING THAT YOU HAVE. SO IT'S ALSO JUST TO HAVE LIKE SOMETHING FUN AND THEY CAN TOUCH AND HAVE SOMETHING DIFFERENT THAN JUST. REGULAR. 
          THANK YOU. SO REAL QUICKLY WHILE YOU GUYS ARE LOOKING AT THOSE AS WELL. SO THULANI MENTIONED THAT THERE WILL BE A CONCRETE PAD ALONG THE LETTERS AS WELL. SO THAT WILL BE ACTUALLY FLUSHED UP. IF YOU LOOK AT THIS PICTURE HERE ALONG CLAYTON STREET, THERE'S ALREADY AN ENTRANCE THAT YOU CAN WALK ALONG RIGHT PAST THE FOUNTAINS. AND SO THAT CONCRETE PAD WILL ACTUALLY CONNECT TO THE SIDEWALK SO THAT IT'S FLUSHED UP TO THE SIDEWALK AS WELL. SO ANYONE IN A WHEELCHAIR WITH A STROLLER OR ANYTHING OF THAT NATURE CAN STILL ACCESS THE SCULPTURE. ONE THING THAT WE REALLY APPRECIATED THAT WAS THAT THOSE LETTERS, LIKE YOU MENTIONED, INTERACTIVE PLAYGROUND CERTIFIED. SO WE'RE NOT TRYING TO HAVE KIDS CLIMB ON THE LETTERS, BUT THEY ARE. IT IS SOMETHING THAT SHE DOES KEEP IN MIND AS FAR AS AN INTERACTIVE PIECE TO THAT AS WELL. YEAH, BUT WE'RE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. I WANTED 
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YOU GUYS TO FEEL IT. SO I KNOW THE SENSORY ITEM PIECE WAS ANOTHER THING THAT THE ARTS COMMISSION HAD AS WELL. SO. WELL, YOU KNOW, I LOOK FORWARD TO HEARING FROM THE COUNCIL. 
          I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO SITTING ON THE L AND THE DTL, SO MAYBE WE CAN HAVE A LITTLE MEETINGS, BUT WHO WOULD LIKE TO ASK QUESTIONS FROM THE COUNCIL? I HAVE A QUESTION. I LAUGHED WHEN YOU SAID THAT ALL OF YOUR DESIGNS ARE ADA COMPLIANT BECAUSE I THOUGHT YOU SAID IDIOT COMPLIANT. AND SO I'M WONDERING, WOULD THIS T HOW HEAVY A MAN COULD STAND OR CLIMB UP AND STAND ON THIS T WITHOUT MESSING UP YOUR GREAT ARTWORK? IT WILL BE STRUCTURALLY ENGINEERED, SO SOMEONE WILL DESIGN IT SO SOMEONE CAN SIT ON IT. BUT I'M NOT GOING TO TELL PEOPLE TO SIT ON IT. BUT YOU KNOW, I WOULD PROBABLY GUESS THAT IT COULD HOLD AT LEAST 2 TO 300 POUNDS ON THE TOP OF THE T LETTER WITH THE SIZE A MINIMUM, BECAUSE WE HAVE TO WATCH OUT FOR THAT, RIGHT? NOT JUST CHILDREN. I THINK CHILDREN ARE FINE, BUT THEY'RE JUST CHILDREN WHO HANG OUT OVER THERE. THERE ARE GROWN BIG MEN AND OTHER OTHER LARGE PEOPLE WHO PROBABLY WILL DECIDE THEY WANT TO HANG OUT AND GET SOME PICTURES, OR MULTIPLE PEOPLE MIGHT WANT TO TRY TO GET FOR GRADUATION OR WHATEVER. AND WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT IT'S STURDY ENOUGH, OR WE CAN'T LET THEM GET CLOSE TO IT TO DO THAT. RIGHT? RIGHT. AND WE'RE WORKING WITH ENGINEERING AND FACILITIES. SO I MENTIONED WORKING WITH THE STRUCTURAL ENGINEER. WE'VE ALREADY WORKED WITH OUR ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT TO GET MORE INFORMATION ABOUT THE, THE, THE GROUNDING AND JUST SOLIDIFYING THAT UNDERNEATH TO MAKE SURE THAT IT'S SECURED PROPERLY. SO SHE'LL WORK WITH THEM AS WELL WHEN WE'RE ACTUALLY LOADING EVERYTHING IN. 
          SO THERE'LL BE A MULTIPLE LAYERS OF CONCRETE. OUR ENGINEERING DIRECTOR ALSO GAVE US AN EXAMPLE OF THE CONCRETE PATH THAT WE DO FOR THE DUMPSTER PADS TO MIMIC. AND SO HE IS WORKING WITH AN ENGINEER TO BUILD THAT OUT AS WELL. SO WE'LL CONTINUE TO KEEP THAT IN MIND TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE ANY SIGNAGE THAT SAYS, PLEASE CLIMB AND PLAY AND DO ALL THE THINGS. BUT WE DO EXPECT THAT PEOPLE WILL WANT TO LEAN ON THE T, THEY'LL WANT TO SIT IN THE D, THEY'LL WANT TO SIT ON THE L OR SOMETHING OF THE SORT. SO WE WANT TO ENCOURAGE THAT TO SOME EXTENT, BUT NOT TO THE POINT WHERE SOMEONE COULD GET HARMED ON THAT AS WELL. RIGHT. AND I COULD ALSO SAY, SO THE D SCULPTURE THAT I MADE PREVIOUSLY, THAT LETTER ALONE IS 700 POUNDS. AND I MADE THE INTERIOR STRUCTURE AND THE TOP STRUCTURE, ADDITIONAL SEATING. SO EVEN THOUGH IT'S NOT DESIGNED FOR PEOPLE TO SIT IN IT, THE LOWER PART IS THE D. I ADDED A HALF INCH PLATE STEEL THAT PEOPLE COULD STAND ON, AND I ALSO SUPPORTED THE VERY TOP WITH QUARTER INCH PLATE THAT HAD SUPPORTING GUSSETS. SO IF PEOPLE DID SIT ON IT, IT WOULD SUPPORT THAT. OKAY. YES. AND IF PEOPLE FALL OFF OF IT, ARE WE LIABLE TO CLIMB UP THERE JUST LIKE A SIDEWALK? OH, THERE YOU GO. BUT WE ALSO SO THERE'S STILL THIS IS THE INITIAL PHASE OF COMING TO YOU ALL TO KEEP YOU UP TO DATE ON WHAT THE ARTS COMMISSION HAS BEEN WORKING ON FOR THE LAST SEVERAL MONTHS. THERE'S STILL DISCUSSIONS. 
          WE'LL WORK WITH LEGAL WITH OUR RISK MANAGER. THERE'S CONTRACTUAL THINGS THAT WE'LL HAVE TO WORK THROUGH AS WELL, BUT WE WANT TO START THE PROCESS EARLY ON BECAUSE IT DOES TAKE ABOUT THREE MONTHS FOR THESE TO BE CREATED. SO IT'S NOT AN OVERNIGHT THING. SO IN THIS PART OF IT, WE'LL MEET WITH YOU ALL. WE WANTED TO SHARE THIS WITH YOU ALL. BUT NOW ALSO BEGINS THE WORK OF WORKING INTERNALLY ON SOME DOCUMENTATION TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE ACCOUNTING FOR THAT AS WELL. IT'S A GREAT QUESTION. EXCELLENT. THANK YOU. SO THIS WAS AROUND 80,000. SO APPROXIMATELY 80,000. THERE IS SOME THE NUMBER IS NOT FINAL YET UNTIL WE HAVE MORE INFORMATION ABOUT THE CONCRETE PAD PORTION. SO THAT WILL BE PAID THROUGH THE ARTS COMMISSION BUDGET. ARE YOU LOOKING ARE WE IS THIS AN ACTION ITEM OR IS THIS JUST A PRESENTATION? JUST A PRESENTATION. YES, SIR. ALL RIGHT. WELL, THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR PRESIDENT. OH, DO YOU HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? YES. GO AHEAD. I WAS JUST BEING PATIENT. THANK YOU FOR YOUR PRESENTATION. I KNOW EVERYBODY TALKS ABOUT THE DTL. AND SO THIS IS A GREAT BRANDING OPPORTUNITY FOR US. JUST SOME QUESTIONS. RANDY. COUNCIL MEMBER TRAVIS BROUGHT OUT THE LIABILITY ISSUE. DO WE HAVE ANY CONCERNS ABOUT THAT? BECAUSE I KNOW WE TALKED ABOUT THE T, BUT I'M LOOKING AT THE L AND THE SHARP CORNERS OF THE L AND LOOKING AT THE MATERIAL. SO WHAT KIND OF CONCERNS HAVE BEEN MITIGATED WHEN WE LOOK AT THAT DURING THE BUILD? I ROUND ALL THE CORNERS. SO EVEN THOUGH IT LOOKS LIKE THERE'S THESE SHARP EDGES, I ACTUALLY LIKE ROUND EVERYTHING. SO THERE'S NOT LIKE A SHARP CORNER. THEY'RE ALL ROUNDED. AND SO WE'LL ALSO WORK WITH OUR RISK MANAGER GARY ON THAT AS WELL TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT'S ALSO BEING ACCOUNTED FOR. WE DO WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT OBVIOUSLY THERE'S SOME THINGS LIKE MAYOR STILL SAID SIDEWALK, IF YOU CHIP THINGS OF THAT NATURE. BUT WITH THIS BEING AN ART PIECE THAT WE'RE ACTIVELY ENGAGING AND PUTTING IN ONTO THE LAWN, WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ACCOUNT FOR THAT SO WE CAN WORK WITH HIM ON JUST HOW TO BEST MITIGATE OR ADDRESS THOSE CONCERNS THROUGH OUR INSURANCE POLICY AS WELL. OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. AND THEN ANOTHER QUESTION IS, HOW CLOSE IS THIS TO THE PLAYGROUND? BECAUSE I KNOW EVEN THOUGH IT'S SENSORY, WE THE FURTHER AWAY IT IS FROM THE PLAYGROUND, I FEEL LIKE THE 
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MORE IT WILL DISCOURAGE CHILDREN FROM, YOU KNOW, PLAYING ON IT AND, YOU KNOW, MAYBE HAVING AN ACCIDENT ON IT. I JUST, I JUST SEE IF WE PUT IT CLOSER TO THE PLAYGROUND, IT APPEARS THAT WE WANT THEM TO USE THAT AS, YOU KNOW, ADDITIONAL, RIGHT, AS AN ADDITIONAL PLAYGROUND EQUIPMENT, WHICH WE DON'T WANT TO DO. SO THE WAY I PERCEIVE YOUR PICTURE, YOU WOULD HAVE TO LEAVE THE PLAYGROUND AREA, GO DOWN THE SIDEWALK PAST THE CORRECT. SO THIS IS THE TODDLER PLAYGROUND HERE. AND THEN THE, THE MAIN PLAYGROUND, THE BIGGER KID PLAYGROUND, RIGHT? IT'S RIGHT OVER HERE. AND SO IT IS JUST, YOU KNOW, MAYBE ABOUT 100FT MAYBE OR LESS FROM THE PLAYGROUND AREA. AND THEN THIS IS WHERE WE HAVE THE, THE VOLLEYBALL COURT. SO THERE WAS ANOTHER OPTION THAT WE TALKED ABOUT. SO WE ACTUALLY HAD COME OUT WITH OUR TEAM, FACILITIES DIRECTOR, ENGINEERING DIRECTOR TO WEIGH OUT TWO DIFFERENT OPTIONS. THERE'S ANOTHER LOCATION. AS YOU GUYS KNOW, THE LAWN IS ONLY SO BIG. THERE'S A LOT OF DIFFERENT UPGRADES THAT ARE HAPPENING WITHIN WITHIN THE LAWN RIGHT NOW. AND SO THERE WERE TWO LOCATIONS. ONE WAS ACTUALLY NEAR THE DOG PARK. BUT WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE INVESTMENT, WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE WORK THAT'S GOING TO BE PUT INTO CREATING THESE LETTERS, THE DOG PARK AREA THAT WAS CLOSEST TO JACKSON STREET FELT LIKE IT WAS TOO TUCKED BACK AWAY. AND THIS ALSO ALREADY HAS A CONCRETE PAD IN THAT AREA. SO IT KIND OF ACTIVATES THAT AREA A LITTLE BIT MORE AS PEOPLE ARE WALKING TO AND FROM THE DOWNTOWN SQUARE, FROM THE SOUTH LAWN, FROM CITY HALL. SO THAT IS ONE OF THE REASONS WHY WE CHOSE THE LOCATION. BUT LIKE I MENTIONED, WE WON'T HAVE ANY SIGNAGE THAT SAYS, YOU KNOW, PLAY CLIMB THINGS OF THAT NATURE, BUT WE CAN DEFINITELY MITIGATE SOME OF THOSE CONCERNS THAT Y'ALL THAT YOU ALL MAY HAVE WHEN IT COMES TO INSURANCE AND LIABILITY STANDPOINT. WHAT ABOUT THE CORNER OF THE OTHER ENTRANCE TO THE PARK ON LIKE CLOSE TO WHERE THE HOTEL IS OR JUST THIS AREA HERE? SORRY, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU CAN SEE RIGHT THERE. RIGHT THERE. YES. SO THERE'S A LOW WALL THERE AND IT ALREADY HAS THE LAWRENCEVILLE LAWN SIGNAGE ON IT. AND THEN THERE'S DIFFERENT LIGHTING AND DIFFERENT STRUCTURES BEHIND IT. SO ANOTHER POINT TO THIS IS THAT WE HAVE TO DO 811, MAKE SURE THERE'S NO ELECTRICAL OUTLETS OR UTILITIES UNDERNEATH THE GROUND. AND SO WE'VE ALREADY WORKED WITH OUR FACILITIES TEAM ON JUST IDENTIFYING WHAT IS ACTUALLY IN THAT AREA, BECAUSE THERE'S ALSO SOME LIGHTING THERE THAT IF WE WANTED TO UPLIGHT THIS, IT'S KIND OF ALREADY LOCATED IN THAT AREA. POSSIBLY SO, BUT THAT IS ALSO ONE THING THAT WE'VE BEEN DISCUSSING. BUT SINCE THAT ALREADY HAS THE LAWRENCEVILLE LAWN EMBLEM ON THERE, WE DIDN'T WANT TO TAKE AWAY FROM THE MAIN THAT MAIN POINT OF ENTRY ON THE CORNER. OKAY. SO JUST JUST CONSIDER THAT, YOU KNOW, AND I CAN TELL YOU PEOPLE ALREADY CLIMB ON THAT SIGN AT THE CORNER. YES. I SEE THEM HAVING THEIR PICTURE THERE ALL THE TIME. THAT'S A GOOD POINT. SO WE CAN MAKE NOTE OF THAT. THANK YOU. YEAH. OKAY. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS. 
          COMMENTS. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR PRESENTATION GUYS. THANK YOU. SO NEXT IS 
          [Executive Session - Personnel, Litigation, Real Estate]
EXECUTIVE SESSION. DO I HAVE A MOTION TO MOVE INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION FOR PERSONNEL LITIGATION AND REAL ESTATE MATTERS. SO MOVED FIRST MAYOR PRO TEM TRAVIS DO I HAVE A SECOND? SECOND. OH THAT WAS. THAT WAS A TIE. LADIES FIRST. OKAY. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. MOTION CARRIES. WE'LL MOVE TO THE THIRD FLOOR. CONFEREN
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